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Bender B. Rodriguez
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Posted : Oct 31, 2007 23:58
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On 2007-10-31 23:10, Magox wrote:
Well, the way i see it is, i think it's a great thing that more people are making music. I don't disagree that the talent on an average person to person basis maybe lower quality today than what it was before, but i think it's awesome that technology has allowed us to be able to create music in our home on our own pc.'s (in many cases their parents pc's ) .... I think it's a good thing.
Many people thought that they never had the capability of creating an attractive sound, and may have never even tried making music if they didn't feel inspired by someone who made kick ass music on their own pc. Inspiration is a good thing, and if someone feels inspired enough to learn a music program and try to create music with it, then i can only see that as positive.
A lot of people will tell you many times in your life that you can't do this or that you can't do that, because of this and because of that. Whoever listens to this has all ready given up on themselves and their dreams. That's what dreaming is about, reaching for the stars, going after something out of the ordinary, and the only way you will be able to get it is by just doing it.
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Inspired by what Magox said I wanted to hear what people think about this. Is it really good to have so much artists these days. Dose more, mean more quality?
IMHO: More and more people make music, and we get less and less quality. Half of these newly born artist would not able to tweak a single sound with the production gear if they would have created during the 1990s, even if they wanted to. Most of them are just computer programmers that learned a few trick. Now days every wanker can sit in front of a computer and with some patience, learn a few things, and create something that he calls music. Also a lot of them don`t even have the basic theoretical knowledge of music in the first place. And we have to consider them as musicians? C`mon. It takes so much more to be a musican... I agree that inspiration is good, but this easy access production techniques make every bugger think he can be the next GMS/Skazi/IM, and thus we get horrific results. I agree that a flower can grow out of a pile of shit,
but sometimes the stinks is so bad that you can`t concentrate on flower.
But I say blame the labels for accepting and releasing this kind of music, and the consumers for buying, going to parties, demanding more and demanding this kind of music.
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Magox
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 00:21
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i don't disagree with the watered down quality of the music that is being released.
But i just can't see how you can fault or criticize someone, who feels the urge to want to create music.
and btw, who said that you have to consider them musicians? Just because isratrance makes someone into a blue person doesnt mean that you have to recognize it that way..... It's just blue letters 
No one is telling you that you have to do this, no one is telling you to listen to their music.
And no disrespect intended Genije, but i'm just a little curious, who wants to be the next GMS, Skazi or IM? I suppose you have had conversations with your peers or friends or acquaintences that told you this, or else you wouldnt make this comment right?
I have many friends that have been making music and many more that are beginning to do so, and i can tell you right now, not one of them are wanting to become the next GMS/Skazi/IM....
maybe this is why you feel this way, maybe your friends or acquaintences want to be, and maybe they are in it for the "wrong" reasons. whatever that means...
The people i surround myself with have a love of the music, and some of them are more talented than others, and some of them will most likely never produce anything that is considered "good" or of quality by many people's standards.
But it really doesn't matter though, because they love what they are doing, be it that it is of good quality or not. It's about doing what makes you happy.
I promote creativity from all walks of life. I believe there is talent in many of us, and what's even more sad to have someone that has all this creativity within them, and that they never did anything about it.... I think that's sad
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Pt.
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 00:50
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There's a good expression that goes something like this.
'Less is more'
piis and luff
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brasirc
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 01:20
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and the consumers for buying, going to parties, demanding more and demanding this kind of music.
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anyone else you want to blame? how about you blame the party organizers that make the parties so that the consumers can go to them?
or maybe the guy that picks up the trash at the party that plays "that kind of music" ?
just because you dont like it doesnt mean it is unworthy....maybe it aint worth your taste, but it is still art....
and if you ask me, every human beeing is an artist, is it on their music, on their lyrics, on their paintings, or simply on their speach on the coffee room on office that gets everyone emotional...
you dont need to be a "musician" to make music...you dont need to be a "poet" to make a nice poem for your girlfriend....those are just labels, it doesnt mean ANYTHING by itself...and not beeing labeled properly doesnt stop you from creating art and sharing it (and reaching other human beeings with it).
maybe the pile of shit metafore should be made for your taste more precisely....cause what you consider pile of shit, for others maybe represent only different emotions, different expressions from different people and different points of view...
after all, aint that the beauty behind humanity? our differences??
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Forza
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 02:00
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imho more musicians = more posibilities and more probabilities.
it's obvious that more musicians = more shit (in everybody's respected personal opinions)
but also more musicians = more flowers (again in everybody's personal opinions)
even if we have to bear with more shit and it's stinky there are a lot of beautiful flowers waiting for the dedicated seeker.
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DETOX
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 03:14
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In the psy trance scene where your average producer is a guy who bought a computer three years ago and with no musical education or backround at all decided last year to start experimenting on Cubase and this year decided to sent demos to every label he knows hoping that someone will release his "music" and actually managing to release his first tune for free on a label that was also created this or last year THEN MORE MEANS OBVIOUS LESS,MUCH LESS.
If more meant better then psy trance would be the best and most well known music in the world because the analogy between simple listeners and "producers" and "djs" is extremely high.Just go to the main page of this site on a busy hour and notice how many out of the total of registered users have a special status (label managers or artists) and how many of them are simple users.
After you do your math take into consideration that 80% of the simple users consider themselves as djs LOL
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Basilisk
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 04:19
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I think it should be for the people and the DJs and the labels to sort out... just because a person decides to make music does not mean they are necessarily going to be good at it... and there is no rule that states anyone getting into production deserves to make a living from it without talent, hard work, and determination. What we have is a participatory counterculture where everyone is welcome to contribute, but only the best (or most connected) will rise to the top. Since there is no substantial cost to inventory in the digital age, why limit content? An unmanageable amount of new music merely opens new doors for content amalgamation and "taste-making" columnists to provide a useful service to the public. I function in this way to some extent.
Of course, the tangible repercussions of increased commercial volume serve as a good counter-argument to what I've just outlined. For instance, if there is a limited amount of buying power within the underground marketplace, additional content providers are bound to have a negative effect on established players. In other words (to repeat a point made many times here on Isratrance), if people aren't buying any more music than they were a few years ago, but there are twice as many labels, then the consequences are decreased sales for all involved. Given that sales figures tend to hover around the point at which the production and manufacture of physical products becomes uneconomic, the increased quantity of commercial content providers may precipitate an untenable situation for even the most successful and well-established psytrance labels.
Ask yourself these questions: do you think that Iboga is making huge profits? Is it possible that the vast increase in one-off darkpsy labels has anything to do with HOMmega signing an act like Dali that is guaranteed to sell? In other words, are market conditions such that creative choice amongst labels is limited? Remember: the labels that don't sell inevitably fold, and this is sure to have an effect on the stylistic variability of the music we listen to.
On a positive note, I don't really think the situation is all that terrible. Labels and artists must adapt (this isn't new), but there is still ample room for daring experimentation and fresh ideas. The huge increase in content producers can be beneficial if many newcomers are willing to adopt a pragmatic model based on paid performance and free recordings, if only to start. New artists forget that quality promotion is absolutely essential in the first few years. Releasing a track for 100 euros on some no-name label's obscure V/A isn't going to raise their profile very much, but a free lossless EP will be heard by thousands of potential fans. Certain facts are unavoidable--the scene might be growing (debatable) but individual CD sales are not making proportionate gains. Individual listening habits have changed and will continue to change... Pandora's box is open; it is up to the visionaries to see the way through.
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brasirc
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 05:15
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Bravo...excellent post!
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mk47
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 06:42
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decided to sent demos to every label he knows hoping that someone will release his "music" and actually managing to release his first tune for free on a label that was also created this or last year THEN MORE MEANS OBVIOUS LESS,MUCH LESS.
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true that .. but anyway .. i think its a good thing that technology today allows people like me , you ..and just about anyone else to wishes to .. to buy / download some software and start making their own beats .. its fun
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psysnoopy
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 09:03
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On 2007-10-31 23:58, GenijeNajveci wrote:
But I say blame the labels for accepting and releasing this kind of music, and the consumers for buying, going to parties, demanding more and demanding this kind of music.
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One of the most selfish sentences I've read in this forum, BUT EXCUSE ME,
Who are you to blame labels, music fans, and amateur and young artists for what they love to do?
People are free to enjoy their life the way they want.
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Magox
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 09:18
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On 2007-11-01 03:14, DETOX wrote:
In the psy trance scene where your average producer is a guy who bought a computer three years ago and with no musical education or backround at all decided last year to start experimenting on Cubase and this year decided to sent demos to every label he knows hoping that someone will release his "music" and actually managing to release his first tune for free on a label that was also created this or last year THEN MORE MEANS OBVIOUS LESS,MUCH LESS.
If more meant better then psy trance would be the best and most well known music in the world because the analogy between simple listeners and "producers" and "djs" is extremely high.Just go to the main page of this site on a busy hour and notice how many out of the total of registered users have a special status (label managers or artists) and how many of them are simple users.
After you do your math take into consideration that 80% of the simple users consider themselves as djs LOL
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Detox, it is sooo obvious that you are still remenescing the age of yesterday.....even Stevie Wonder can see that about you.
it is highly unlikely that many people will be able to live up to your "high" expectations. And to tell you the truth, they should'nt even care what you think, after all; it's just your opinion and nothing more.
The creation of art in my opinion is not to satisfy the opinions of the masses but to give self satisfaction of personal creativity.
I for one love hearing a creation that was made from a friend or from an aquantainece for the purpose of sharing their sound. Whether it is "good" or not is to be decided amongst us, but in no shape or form will i try to discourage them from trying to create a sound that they attempted to share with us. Maybe i will try to give them some sort of positive criticism, but never will i try to tell them to give up on their dreams.
The luxary that we have is the luxary of choice.
We have the choice to listen to what we decide to listen to.
Many people here on this forum, speak against many "musicians" with strong conviction, as if they have done something personally against them. It's amazing to see how vehemently people react to this, and i sit back, wondering, "what the hell did they do to you?" for you to act in this way. Ok, maybe the music is not up to your standards, but why, do you act in such a way, as if they have done something against you? It baffles me....
All that these people have done, is create a sound, that they want to share with everyone. Key word, SHARE!!!!
I understand, that maybe it's not a sound that your interested in, and that's ok, but, WHY? why the disdain? why the malice? Why the vehement criticism? what have they done to you? all that many of us want to do, is create a sound that we can share amongst us...
I'm sorry, but your standards of many of you, are of an elistist level, and it's ugly, and you should feel ashamed of yourselves for having these views. No one is perfect, and there is no cut off level of acceptance, it is all a matter of personal taste.
It's about personal creavity, and no one is telling you that you have to accept it, you simply have the choice to listen to it or not. If you don't like it, then that's fine, don't listen to it. But we are tired of hearing your tired old comments of what you believe is quality or not, at least i am anyway. We have enought critics in this scene, just like the old adage states " If you want change, then change it" it's time to do something, critiquing is sooooo yesterday.....
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gaspard
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 11:27
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More is better I think. The more people there are making music the more pointy you can be in your choices.
The idea that you need to have a full musical background to make music is not true. If it were, it would also mean that only people with musical background make good music. And we all know that's bollocks.
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Voice of All
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 12:05
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It was figured by Lenin (not a russian psy dj but the Vladimir Ulyanov-Lenin himself ) many years ago... there was an article by him with the title: "Better less but better"
and when it comes to this forum you can trace the changes by paying attention to how many users write their thoughts in cd-review section... two years ago it was much more response in that section - now, when everybody are artists and djs, they dont give a shit about music itself and prefere to chat about whatever else
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All that these people have done, is create a sound, that they want to share with everyone. Key word, SHARE!!!!
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Magox, I think you have sifted through the vortex of dialogue and thought and opened up the true essence of what music is about - 'sharing'. People have come together since the early days when sound was created, to share this unique gift, not only to create sound - but to listen to it.
I am truly thankful that we are in the digital age - the age where we can share music with people, at any time, in any place ... all around the globe. If there were ever to be a time to live, it would be now.
Thank you for your thoughtfully released comment.
Peace, love and light
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 12:28
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more of this more of that all in all its just that---if you like it pay for it, if you dont too bad, sharing is good as long as you are on the receiving end...if i share my music with you you share your cash with me....that way both are sharing what they can...but if sharing is just simply giving away your thing for nothing in return is useless....well if you share something you get a peace of mind in return...you always get something back when you share...thats just a nicer way of demanding a payment of some sort
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