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Mixing Free Music?

a3k
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Posted : Dec 16, 2007 22:32
imagine you are spinning your legal cds in a party and you have free music downloaded from the internet (either gave by the artists either by labels releasing a promo or a free compilation, whatever), is it legal to spin it?
i mean can the police cause you troubles by doing this?           ...
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Posted : Dec 16, 2007 22:52
I don't think so, though I remember some topic about a guy being arrested because of spinning non-original cds.

Many other people copy their originals and bring only copies to parties, to keep the originals safe at home (or at least this is their excuse for having no original CD in their case). Many others play only unreleased, so it is impossible to have an original with this music (by the way, in some case the mastering of these unreleased sucks big time).

So I don't think the police can cause trouble, unless they really want to do it, probably by other reasons.

But I must make clean again that any serious DJ will only spin maximum quality music (no mp3), because the crowd deserves the best.
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a3k
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Posted : Dec 16, 2007 23:23
there are a lot of wave releases on the net, and those are the ones i am asking, for exmple comes to my mind the releases of ultiva recs, a promo by spliffnik looney tunes etc etc, and wave music gaved by the artists themselves, i mean, for example the relases of ultiva are legal to spin?           ...
Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 00:13
There is a lot of variables to take into account.

For music released for free on the internet it depends on the licensing terms for the releases. If the license does not restrict public performance you are ok, but if there is not stated anywhere it's your obligation to check with the label if it's ok.

Promos from labels that handed over licensing to royalty organisations should be ok provided that the venue pays it's fees to those organisations.

To play releases that you make digital copies of you need a special license as a DJ in some counties, for example that's the case in the UK.

If an artist is registered with a royalty organisation they handle their licensing and the artist have no say. So in that case to play their demo you should make sure that you and the venue have all the needed licenses in place.           (``.(``.(``..`).`).`)
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a3k
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 01:54
Quote:

On 2007-12-17 00:13, Spindrift wrote:
To play releases that you make digital copies of you need a special license as a DJ in some counties, for example that's the case in the UK.



if 4 exampe i turn the music from original cds into waves that can be used for example in a Dj Console, ill have pay a fee?

Spindrift where can i find legislation about being a "Dj"?
do you know any website?           ...
Misha_
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 02:30
[quote]
On 2007-12-16 23:23, a3k wrote:
there are a lot of wave releases on the net, and those are the ones i am asking, for exmple comes to my mind the releases of ultiva recs, a promo by spliffnik looney tunes etc etc, and wave music gaved by the artists themselves, i mean, for example the relases of ultiva are legal to spin?

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i don`t think that is illeagal to spin free releases.you mention ultiva rec:) we release mp3 and wav formats,cause many artist told us to release especially wav.they gave their tracks for free,so everyone could feel free to spin them.don`t see any reasons why that can be forbiden or illegal.licence in net labels and for free releases allows tracks to be played for public performances.           www.soundmute-recordings.com
k.t
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 02:43
watta story it would be getting arrested by cops while playing a dj set because your not playin original cds lolll



at least this can never happen in india hehe !



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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 04:24
well... I doubt the police will do much seeing as they are not representing the music industry, but you can be served a writ to appear in court by lawyers who areeither representing the recording industry of that country, or from the label/producer/distributor as well... and to top it off here in Australia these have been served whilst the dj is on stage spinngin the track...

usually it is a big fine... maybe comes with prosecution and therefor a mark against your name for performing an illegal activity...


it's pretty bad lcuk to happen... but from what I was told by a lawyer I kmnow, if you own an original it is ok to have a 1 copy of each cd, but no more... if you don;t any copies of the original cd, or if you cannot prove you do... then you can be fined, charged etc.


I think if it is an illegal download then for sure they should fine and charge you... but if it is free music buy a label or artist, check with them about the aspects of the law...
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 07:33
first of all u dont want to see the police in a party... ya?           www.vantaravichitra.com
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 12:07
Quote:

On 2007-12-17 01:54, a3k wrote:
if 4 exampe i turn the music from original cds into waves that can be used for example in a Dj Console, ill have pay a fee?

Spindrift where can i find legislation about being a "Dj"?
do you know any website?



I don't know about any good collection of information, but generally it's the rules of the royalty organisation's you have to worry about.
Here is the info with regards to the UK license for digital DJ'ing:
http://www.ppluk.com/ppl/ppl_lf.nsf/DigitalDJ?openPage

To find out details about he legislation where you live give the local royalty organisation a call, they are the best source of information when it comes to the rules for music licensed via them.
If as much as a single track or artist you play is registered with them you are supposed to follow their rules.

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Misha_ wrote:
i don`t think that is illeagal to spin free releases.you mention ultiva rec:) we release mp3 and wav formats,cause many artist told us to release especially wav.they gave their tracks for free,so everyone could feel free to spin them.don`t see any reasons why that can be forbiden or illegal.licence in net labels and for free releases allows tracks to be played for public performances.


There is no default license for free releases, and if the releases and the artists on the releases is not registered with royalty organisations you are free to set your own terms.
If you don't specify the terms in theory the DJ should contact you and check what terms you use.
In reality it's not so much of a worry. The police are looking after the interest of big corporations and the royalty organisations, and if the DJ possibly is violating the licensing terms of a small free netlabel it's not really their concern.
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 13:34
can i play my own music
if yes then sure its ok to play my friend music as well...
i meen , i play 70% unreleasd stuff in dj set ... all kosher , great to have alot of artists friends

now the real big question , are you inocent until they proove other way.. if so u are protected how they gonna find out...
simple example: i got last night great tune from a friend "optical human" , i go and spin it anywhere in the world , who the fuck is gonna know if its ok or not.. its my best friend and i have 100% right to play it altho its not even protected in copyrights since he makes music just for fun

anywayz in israel the day that police check the cd player for illeagal music rather then the crowd for drugs will be happy day for me ad my party goers friends
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 13:50
If you are registered with the royalty organisation they have the rights for licensing for all your music, released or not.
It doesn't matter if it's you, your friend or you enemy who plays the track....you are supposed to follow the licensing terms of your royalty organisation regardless.           (``.(``.(``..`).`).`)
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a3k
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 14:38
for example in this release: http://forum.isratrance.com/va-no-comment-vol-1-free-promo-wav-320/
if you go to their site, it is explicit on the covers that they give you all the freedom to spin their tracks.

but 4 example in this release i dont see anywhere that they give the right for the music to be played:

http://forum.isratrance.com/va-voice-of-sauron-soon-on-ultiva-records-out-now/

so my doubts are are both legal to play?           ...
Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 14:54
If they state that public performance is allowed, then of course it will be allowed.

If it's not stated anywhere it's up to you to contact the label and find out what licensing terms they use.
Like I said though it's not much to worry about since first of all the only people that would be inspecting your collection at a gig would be the royalty organisations or the police acting on their behalf.
And I doubt ultiva would be able to find out and then sue you for breaking their licensing terms, and it would not be easy for them to make a case if they neglected stating the terms.           (``.(``.(``..`).`).`)
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Braindrop
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Posted : Dec 19, 2007 11:25
Quote:

On 2007-12-17 13:34, Elad wrote:

simple example: i got last night great tune from a friend "optical human" , i go and spin it anywhere in the world , who the fuck is gonna know if its ok or not.. its my best friend and i have 100% right to play it altho its not even protected in copyrights since he makes music just for fun





Exactly. Who is gonna come and check? . Could any body here give examples... as to where all do they check? For ex: Which countries?.. Does this happen in any major festival/parties in europe etc? could any1 state more incidents??

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