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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 12:33
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i want to point you to hezbollah, the radical shia group in lebanon as an example of the real world.
these guys have no territorial conflict with israel, they are lebanese shias, NOT palestinians and their only quarrel with us is a holy war. palestinians are mostly sunni, while hizbollah is shia. hizbollah is both an army outside of the regular lebanese army AND holds seats in the lebanese senate. its as if political parties in your own country had 10-20k strong armies each, with anti tanks and rockets and advanced weapons, and your country also had an official army besides. other than fighting israel, they serve as the shia sect's militia in lebanon, intimidating and controling the other sects.
so.... after fighting against israel a few times, now started this syria stuff. all the world is crying that assad is butchering people, and hizballa are allied with him and fighting alongside him. so everyone doesn't get at first why the west isn't helping the rebels, then realises the revolution was hijacked by jihadists and extreme sunni muslims and it has become a holy war between sunni and shia.
and in gaza, hamas is fighting israel, while hamas is sunni and an enemy of syria and of hizbollah. oh and btw shia iran is funding BOTH sunni hamas and shia hizbollah, that both hate israel, but hate each other more.
all this time in syria hundreds of thousands dead, in iraq hundreds a day now and we are all sitting here disccusing israel???!?!?!?!?!? dudes way serious shit is going on in the muslim/arab world, israel is just one battlefield for them. instead of fucking with us, be thankful we are on that frontline and not you.
confused yet?
you guys are always thinking about politics in a european/western context of the last 50 years, and don't understand how absolute these islamic groups are. they think on one level, we think on another level, and the twines don't meet.
the fact that the ordinary palestinian does not have a great life like we all do is very very sad, but many ordinary people in the whole arab world right now are being denied that good life, and these social and political developments have to do with the arab world and the solutions if they ever come need to come from within them, not by you changing your profile pic to free gaza/
please notice that this whole time, over a month of heavy fighting between israel and hamas in gaza, the other palestinian towns in the west bank have not joined in. why do you think that is? maybe it is because hey at the moment their life is actualy not that bad, and maybe it is because they are free from hamas control in the west bank, and are fully aware of how evil hamas is, and hate them maybe as much as we israelis do. nor did you see protests or even harsh rhetoric from most arab countries and leaders, in fact egypt and saudi arabia have both put the entire blame on hamas and their political weight against hamas.
so while the ordinary palestinian in jericho hates hamas quietly, you who sit half the world away condem israel loudly. you and erdogan lol, nice company you guys keep   
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-=Mandari=-
Mandari
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 13:02
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could you guys pls get back to the topic? im sorry for how this evolved, but this thread should´ve never been about WHAT exactly is happening THERE and who of us are the better folks.... nah cmon pls. ridiculous.... how can we talk about europeans, israelins, arabs blah... shows how one we really are. its been about whats happening outside of gaza...affecting all of us! the psychedelic trance scene.
so pls, the topic has been about how this affects the party.... this whole wielding flag n draggin innocent ppl into this.....(on party!! pls dont rage now about the innocent ppl in this conflict!!) story is worst contradiction in context.... to the least.
so if you got nothing productive to give into this. pls just leave it. like i wrote.... its the last thing needed!
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 13:06
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um, no, your very first posts in this topic are all about "racist israeli artists", nothing about togetherness or love or any of that, go read your own words. you even chose to take a few stabs at me personaly. when we play with matches we all get burned what can i say no?
how has you starting this topic contributed to fixing what is broken? you just made it worse, and now you try to cloud the issue. really nice of you.
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-=Mandari=-
Mandari
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 13:21
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peace out faxi i wont defend this, cause clearly yo ugot that feeling. theres no sense comiing down to you, defending my points. cause that clearly would admit the points you made.... i honestly have to say im not fine with them. im not interested in creating further resistance. its ok you think n feel like that. but honestly wasnt ever interested in stabbing you personally or offending anyone. oh yeah except some guys who clearly went way too far! so far, im not with you man, but clearly can hear n see ya.
thats why i didnt stop you in your way here. you try to make points, which may differ, anyways you did not come here to leave a "bomb gaza to dust".... even if one can clearly see your attitude n behaviour. anyways....
anyways, i see theres no sense in making any neutral discussion on that. sadly this approves my theory of things being over and getting worse.
peace out
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 13:24
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On 2014-07-29 10:10, -=Mandari=- wrote:
yeaa they just seem to reach ppl i never thought of takin a jump on that poor wagon..... ppl like Haim VectroElectro, Faxi Nadu.... etc. feel free to have a look for likes and comments. it thus seems to be full of racist artists too..... well i had to block faxi anyways exactly cause of that hardlining pro israel racist issue! sadly.....
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you did write that didn't you?
your last comment though, i accept, see that is actually all i ask for! glad you decided to climb a few branches off the tree 
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 13:27
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colin, it isn't too late for you too you know
can't you find a way of supporting political resolution to this problem in israel, without resorting to propaganda and crusade tactics? if you just tone it down a bit, and see some issues for what they are, maybe your concerns about other issues can have more merit? up to you anyways, your life.
maybe if you tone down the adjectives, as a whole group with these views not just any one of you - "genocide" for example, that word is not in context here, and when you guys pull that card out, it feels like there is no room to have a real discussion with you, when not only your mind has been made up, but it has made up to the most extreme.
that group in facebook you all talk about, the description is a bad translation btw, the meaning is not that it was born out of our hate lolz come on, what they mean is the group was born out of hate towards israel by some psytrance artists, specific to ones that have often performed here and made great carear strides here, and are now shitting on us while still expecting us to bring them to parties and support them. i don't think that is so radical, only natural no?
does it sound logical if i went to perform in germany and had a great time and had bongs with all of you there and flirted with the chicks and rocked the dj deck and uploaded party pics and stuff to my facebook, made a few $ and saw the sights and ate the food and interacted with your culture.... then the minute i step off the plane at home i upload dozens of posts on how nazi and racist and fucked up the germans are? i don't get why you all think that group is so evil, it is only a natural reaction.
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The Hypnotic LFO Room
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 13:39
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Ha ha my last post got deleted because I mentioned that we might have to open op another true international forum where it's not associated to israel and lack of freedom of speech.
But propaganda is allowed i see |
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 13:41
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OzMike
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 13:58
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I really do take back any of my comments against Israel/ i feel that without living there or in the Gaza Faxi is right to say we do not know what it is like.
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.
Sometime it's best to just wait and let the dust settle.
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 14:03
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about apartheid:
i have had an arab co-worker at every job i held, so does my wife.
i had an arab boss.
i have arab costumers, so does my wife.
the doctor who performed the operation on my mom is arab.
my favorite humus joint is in the center of an arab town.
the flowers my wife buys each friday for my parents are bought at an arab shop.
my own house was built by arab builders. my closets and kitchen was ordered from a great arab carpenter.
my gardner is arab.
our relationship with them in the "ordinary" interaction is perhaps the same as interaction in europe between muslims and so called "whites". there is an economic tie and mostly co-existence, but it is true (but also true for all of you!) that on a social level the societies are not integrated, muslims and jews don't often date or marry here or in europe either.
about gaza:
- "blue" the most popular redbull clone in israel is produced in a gaza factory.
- before hamas takeover thousands of israelis would fix their cars in gaza garages.
- before hamas takeover it was popular for israelis to learn driving and get their driver's permit in gaza.
- before hamas takeover tens of thousands of gazan arabs worked in israel.
- even AFTER hamas takeover people with cancer and other serious conditions are treated in israel.
why is it so hard for you to grasp the reality of what is going on? you truley sit there and think me and my wife are racist and evil people with no soul or something? you expect us here to accept that people think this about us and feel peace and love? you think it doesn't bother us people on ANY side die? war isn't fun to anyone, even if you "win". you think i wanna have a baby so he can be a soldier? this isn't sparta we are in 2014, we don't spend our days here thinking about how to kill arab kids, believe it or not.
notice i try to refrain from posting links and instead telling you MY own view and experiences. beleive a link or beleive faxi is your choice, OR make the wise decision and use your energies on something that you are positive you have all the information about and can form a solid opinion of your own about. think about it.
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 14:04
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On 2014-08-12 13:58, OzMike wrote:
I really do take back any of my comments against Israel/ i feel that without living there or in the Gaza Faxi is right to say we do not know what it is like.
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.
Sometime it's best to just wait and let the dust settle.
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sometimes i don't get you but thanks, that is again all i ask, appreciate that kind of view.
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-=Mandari=-
Mandari
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 15:08
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im speechless man  what can i say. ppl will clearly be able to observe themselves who´s sitting on a tree bombarding with bananas and who´s not...
thanks for understanding anyways... cheers man. i sincerely hope you will find peace.... where n however....
cheers
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 15:20
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Some people/forum users/artists are creating problems in this website for a very very long time due to their egoistic, irrational and offensive behavior. The problem is not the nature of the post or the middle east conflict, some people like fighting through the internet and this is an easy thread to start a fight, i have seen the very same people picking up fights in other topics about various issues and i was sure this thread would become a mess sooner or later, it was just a matter of time with the participation of the usual suspects ofcourse.
Some of them have even be banned from this forum several times but they keep registering under new nicknames and keep creating a mess disregarding the guidelines and disrespecting the moderators and the rest of the users.
They talk about freedom of speech and accuse this place of propaganda practices and post filtering but they seem to ignore or forget the fact that although they have been banned several times from this forum we give them second and third and fourth chances to remain members of this community and express their opinion, thats our mistake though, some people dont deserve second chances as it seems.
I am not going to delete or lock this topic, i just feel sorry for some people, their age and their history and presence in this scene, keep jeopardizing and making fun of youselves, thats the worst punishment but it will be real late when you will realize it, if it isnt late already.....
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 19:48
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I don't know shit about israel or gaza or any of this...but I do know that if I had said some of the things that you people have said to each other on this thread...
I would feel like a dick.
Is this discussion doing anyone any good? Probably should just shut the fuck up.
Have any of you on either side ever had the experience of talking about this with someone online and then something good comes from it? Someone actually says 'you know...you got a pretty good point there. you just changed my mind!'
I used to fight with people on the internet quite a lot about various things - it only ever made me angry and wasted my time.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Aug 12, 2014 20:10
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so whos paying the bill for the war on both sides?
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