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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 20:43
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Of course I like you, I always did. We got on well before you flew off the handle. It's only the way you throw your toys out of the pram, and throw insults and get really nasty and personal towards me and other people when we criticise your government and what it's doing in Gaza and the West Bank that I find really sad and makes it really difficult to communicate. I mean that stuff is like water off a duck's back to me by now but you keep trying it and it keeps making only you look bad. Seriously Yaron, sometimes that makes it look as though your mind is not totally your own. You are not your country's government. You are not your country. You are not the IDF. You are not responsible for what they do, beyond voting.
You agree that "my country right or wrong" is bullshit, yeah? So why do you act as if you believe it?
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 20:48
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colin you ask why israelis get mad when these things get brought up. you know full well why, but i guess you need to be told again?
why get angry, because
-we didn't spend thousands of years wandering the world in exile, ousted and hated on everywhere
-we didn't get slaughtered in gas chambers to the tune of millions for nothing but nazi hate
-we didn't get kicked out of the arab world and came here with the cloths on our back
-we didn't build this country with wars brought upon us from all sides
-we didn't come to this forsaken, swap riddled, barren and neglected part of the world and turn it into a flurishing oasis of modern life and values
-we didn't create a forward thinking economy based on state of the art technology and ideals of education
-we didn't stand through waves of extreme muslim terror and the weight of the muslim oil and resources behind them for years and years
we didn't do all that for people like you to try and deny that with spins and lies. of course i'm angry, it would be unatural if i wasn't.
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 20:51
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WRONG. in israel WE ARE ALL our country, we are all the idf. my two sister's girls are now in the army, as was my wife. the only one that didn't go was me, ironically because i thought being a psytrance hippie is more important at the time.
when a british soldier dies in iraq, you dont give a flying fuck and why should you right?
when an israeli soldier dies, its probably my neighbor, my cousin, me ex's brother..... in israel there is something lost long ago in a place like britain called SOLIDARITY, a feeling of sharing a common fate. i guess dying in gas chamebrs will do that to a society.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 20:51
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 20:53
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 20:59
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justify fucking what? i have a book with aerial pictures of israel from ww1 era of german empire's airforce. almost all of israel as it was during the ottoman time.
this land was barren, raped for resources by the turks, full of malaria and swamps and beduins and bandits that ravaged everything.
the jews came here and reclaimed this land, literaly the land itself. BUYING with full money and legal tabu documents from the turks and later the british lands, cleaning the swamps, planting forests, building an economy and structure.
the land you claim was stolen, there was almost no one here to steal from, the population grew when thwe british mandate came, both jew and arab, and as a result of the war many arabs fled and became refugees in arab lands, and many jews fled and became refugees in israel. this is war dude, war is a bad thing. in israel we pulled tight as a society and even with a ton of problems within and without all these people's lives were reclaimed. in the arab countries? they still live like refugess. why and how? i suggest you direct those questions to the governments of the dozen+ arab countries around israel.
now, like it or not, this is israel and this will stay israel, with an eventual agreement with the arabs that will ensure them good lives, but certainly not at this point in time with all that is going on in the muslim world, and for sure not with the likes of hamas, and for sure they must first understand a negotiation means you get some and you give up on some, not "give me what i asked for or i go alla akbar on you" 
maybe in 100 years when the muslim world reaches the end of the social cycle they are going through, we can get to a final stage where everyone is happy. in the meantime plz stop spreading the hate and lies and your clearly personal agenda. funny people guys like you colin, keep saying it is personal for me while i know full well how personal it is for you too at least i don't deny it, you bet its fucking personal for me.
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 21:15
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@Moki I don't understand this self blaming of europeans about third world explotation.
When it comes to latin america it has been independent for 200 years and all it's countries have been unable to get their stuff together to make an stable and good working state.
I dont feel at all that the west media is full of anti israel propaganda, not at all.
There is a feeling of indignation because of a perceived excess of force. But at the end all goverments don't really criticize Israel (except for a very few latin goverments which are heavily anti USA).
And I am pretty sure that if the enemy was iran, or Isis, not hamas in gaza, all the the west goverment would support Israel.
So, yes there is some part of the public opinion condeming the war, but the real political power supports Israel.
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Upavas
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 21:18
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The Tibetans have an old saying: you get born again as what you hate the most, unless you can jump off the wheel...
It is interesting how some people identify themselves with a race or a certain population, when the only thing you should really identify in this life dear Yaron (and I mean the dear) is the excellent falafel and hummus that comes from the region where you live, not Bibi, not the IDF, not the Jews, because once again, if you look deep inside yourself, you are none if those things, and hummus and Falafel are as Palestinian as they are Israeli. But you my friend are something much cooler, you are actually a human being, like the rest of us. You have a soul that has absolutely nothing to do with Israel, just like Colin who has the name Bennun and was labeled by you and others as being a traitor last year... And why? Because he realized that having the name Bennun (Ben-Nun) doesn't make him a Jew automatically, I mean he does not even give a flying fuck about kosher food, except for the fact that he likes Falafel, like probably all of us... So once again I ask of you to take a deep breath, realize that you are not Moishe Funkelstein and read a good joke about Mulla Nasruddin, and forget bout you being a Jew, it is a conditioning, that's all, but you are so much more than that!
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 21:19
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On 2014-08-13 21:15, Login wrote:
When it comes to latin america it has been independent for 200 years and all it's countries have been unable to get their stuff together to make an stable and good working state.
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And I am pretty sure that if the enemy was iran, or Isis, not hamas in gaza, all the the west goverment would support Israel.
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same you said abotu the latin countries could be said about the arab countries
and that thing with iran-isis-hamas?? you are aware that iran and hamas are one and are not denying it right? the rockets and rocket technology and a chunk of funding is iran. and you are aware isis and hamas share 1to1 the same ideology yes? "isis" is just a name for the "branch" in that area.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 21:22
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ugh again upavas with his voodoo bullshit, dude let it go. not gonna respond to you at all anymore, this was the last time no matter what you write. dance on your head around me i'm not responding to you, you don't exist. sorry but nazis in a tibetian robe is where i draw the line.
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 21:24
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 21:25
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In the late 1800s a group in Europe decided to colonize this land. Known as Zionists, they represented an extremist minority of the Jewish population. Their goal was to create a Jewish homeland, and they considered locations in Africa and the Americas, before settling on Palestine.
Hitler's rise to power, combined with Zionist activities to sabotage efforts to place Jewish refugees in western countries, led to increased Jewish immigration to Palestine, and conflict grew.
Under considerable Zionist pressure, the UN recommended giving away 55% of Palestine to a Jewish state – despite the fact that this group represented only about 30% of the total population, and owned under 7% of the land.
While it is widely reported that the resulting war eventually included five Arab armies, less well known is the fact that throughout this war Zionist forces outnumbered all Arab and Palestinian combatants combined – often by a factor of two to three. Moreover, Arab armies did not invade Israel – virtually all battles were fought on land that was to have been the Palestinian state.
Finally, it is significant to note that Arab armies entered the conflict only after Zionist forces had committed 16 massacres, including the grisly massacre of over 100 men, women, and children at Deir Yassin. Future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, head of one of the Jewish terrorist groups, described this as “splendid,” and stated: “As in Deir Yassin, so everywhere, we will attack and smite the enemy. God, God, Thou has chosen us for conquest.” Zionist forces committed 33 massacres altogether.
By the end of the war, Israel had conquered 78 percent of Palestine; three-quarters of a million Palestinians had been made refugees; over 500 towns and villages had been obliterated; and a new map was drawn up, in which every city, river and hillock received a new, Hebrew name, as all vestiges of the Palestinian culture were to be erased. For decades Israel denied the existence of this population, former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir once saying: “There is no such thing as a Palestinian.”
In 1967, Israel conquered still more land. Following the Six Day War, in which Israeli forces launched a highly successful surprise attack on Egypt, Israel occupied the final 22% of Palestine that had eluded it in 1948 – the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Since, according to international law it is inadmissible to acquire territory by war, these are occupied territories and do not belong to Israel. It also occupied parts of Egypt (since returned) and Syria (which remain under occupation).
Also during the Six Day War, Israel attacked a US Navy ship, the USS Liberty, killing and injuring over 200 American servicemen. President Lyndon Johnson recalled rescue flights, saying that he did not want to "embarrass an ally." (In 2004 a high-level commission chaired by Admiral Thomas Moorer, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, found this attack to be “an act of war against the United States,” a fact few news media have reported.)
There are two primary issues at the core of this continuing conflict. First, there is the inevitably destabilizing effect of trying to maintain an ethnically preferential state, particularly when it is largely of foreign origin. The original population of what is now Israel was 96 percent Muslim and Christian, yet, these refugees are prohibited from returning to their homes in the self-described Jewish state (and those within Israel are subjected to systematic discrimination).
Second, Israel's continued military occupation and confiscation of privately owned land in the West Bank, and control over Gaza, are extremely oppressive, with Palestinians having minimal control over their lives. Over 10,000 Palestinian men, women, and children are held in Israeli prisons. Few of them have had a legitimate trial; Physical abuse and torture are frequent. Palestinian borders (even internal ones) are controlled by Israeli forces. Periodically men, women, and children are strip searched; people are beaten; women in labor are prevented from reaching hospitals (at times resulting in death); food and medicine are blocked from entering Gaza, producing an escalating humanitarian crisis. Israeli forces invade almost daily, injuring, kidnapping, and sometimes killing inhabitants.
According to the Oslo peace accords of 1993, these territories were supposed to finally become a Palestinian state. However, after years of Israel continuing to confiscate land and conditions steadily worsening, the Palestinian population rebelled.
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 21:25
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Posted : Aug 13, 2014 21:26
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