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Rah
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 02:55
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Yeah it is easy to call it simply 'music' when you are reffering to your taste, cause let's admit it, it's ussually all in the same traintrack. But when you have to make a distinction between Jaia & Kemic-Al it seems to me there should be some sort of category. Not to be anal and create more confusion, but for the opposite... to organize it a bit. Some of us don't like the idea, but is clear music has already categorized itself in clear subdivsions if you hear enough of it. The names are not there to confuse but to bring order. I little how it works on biology to differentiate dog from cats.
If i was going to introduce someone to psytrance i would have a much easier time explaining how Antix falls in a slightly different subcategory than say... naked tourist... and he would have an easier time understanding how 'psy trance' can be so damn varied.
my two cents
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Maska
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Without the trance, I don't see the point?
The many variations of the trance is what has kept me in this "scene"....Without that, it is only generic electronic....It will get weaker and weaker and steadily lose it's meaning until it is on the Billboard....At that point, there will be no heart and soul...No depth...No oneness with yourself....Just gimmicks
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 03:14
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Hey !!!!
I have an idea  why dont we just call it fullon?  |
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 03:23
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what about psy trance stop search for something to cry about u dont like it dont lesthing to it but im sure if the trance was stay in the old goa sound it was die long time ago is devloping white the time and good like this if not it was burring white all the big recpect for the old days music |
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Rah
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 03:25
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On 2005-07-26 03:10, Uncle Bob wrote:
Without the trance, I don't see the point?
The many variations of the trance is what has kept me in this "scene"....Without that, it is only generic electronic....It will get weaker and weaker and steadily lose it's meaning until it is on the Billboard....At that point, there will be no heart and soul...No depth...No oneness with yourself....Just gimmicks
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i fail to see how changing a name would diminish the quality of the music...
Billboards are there to determine the most commonly liked types of music. Psy trance as a sub-culture is currently in clear assension of it's popularity... regardless of whether we call it psy trance or honky-tonk... my guess is going to be sucked my main-stream society in the next 10 (if not 5) years.
So whether we like it or not, you will find psy trance on the billboards at some point soon. Making these distinctions between subgenre's at the end of the day might be the only refuge of those who seek to keep it underground.
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Maska
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But the trend is to take out the repetitive rythm (trance) and throw in as many stops (gimmicks) as possible, which is lame in my opinion...Not to say those stops from time to time are bad, but when it's so much that you have to take out the word trance to better explain what the music is about? That just ruins it for me......I got into this style of music (scene) because of the lack of superficial hype...Now, it's consuming all of the scene, with the exception of some of the South African, Danish, etc. music.........However, I do undertand that all things must evolve and grow, but why is it that growth must take out the "CORE" of this music....It was about trance, then this type of trance, then that type of trance, but now we are even taking out the word "trance"????? WTF?
Screw that, I want to be on the dance floor in a state of trance, following the same rituals, etc that the shamans did years ago....That's what this music is about. It's not about who can be cooler up there impressing people with their computer generated "Gimmicks".......People like Deedrah and Space Cat have evolved, but have maintained the repetitiveness of the "TRANCE".....That is what it is about......Otherwise, make house music, or commercial cookie-cutter trance and hang out with Sasha and Digweed.......That is not what this scene is about......Maintain it's purity, while becoming more technically sound/professional.....That's what it is about.
Then, if it catches on and becomes popular, so be it, but don't change just for the wider appeal...That is lame and superficial. That is not our scene.
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ucc
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 04:05
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so it'll have to be... tarnce  |
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Shilayeh
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 05:09
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why you need a name for everything and try to put it into genres? for me its all sound..sonic waves >like J.C. said ...-music  -i see a difference btw jazz-classic-blues-electro-trance....but creating 100sub categories of trance leads nowhere!_at the end no1 is able to distinguish between the sub styles imo // 
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 05:27
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jou*
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 07:07
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On 2005-07-26 03:46, CRX wrote:
lets call it "TICKET"
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Ticket 2 Fly!
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----Dawn----
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 08:51
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On 2005-07-26 00:39, gaspard wrote:
personally i like BOB. short, sweet and you can read it backwards!
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Yep, another fine name! Or even better, use the short version of Bob... Kate.
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To be serious for a moment...
I think the main 2 words often used to describe electronic music are 'Dance' and 'Trance'. Dance being the more mainstream 'clubby' sound and trance being more ethereal and melodic. Each are pretty much interchangeable though and cover a huge spectrum of styles. At the 'top level' i think the word trance is fine... it doesn't really mean anything anymore but it's a familiar 'blanket' name. It's when you start to split the music up into genres, styles and sub-styles that things get complicated.
Names/types are there to pigeon-hole the particular music concerned but sometimes it doesn't really help. Even if there is a general consensus (this week anyway) as to what a particular style of music should sound like, specific genres, styles and types tend to be far too strict and rigid. Music shouldn't be strict and rigid... it should change and develop. Saying music is 'this type' or 'that type' is useful for describing it to others who are familiar with the different styles, but i think its sometimes better to be more descriptive in the choice of name you use... in fact, why not make one up!
For example, when 'progressive' started to become popular, not everyone called it progressive. I used to call the more minimal progressive 'Hypno-plod'. Yes, i know, i'm a dick  I didn't do this as an insult (in fact i really like a lot of this kind of music) but because it described it well... ie, an hypnotic beat that plods on for it's usual 8 minutes or so, often changing little but sometimes developing and becoming richer and more complex as it goes. A great example of the latter type would be the excellent Funf D... and Funf D's 'Rollin' would be melodic progressive 'Hypno-plod'
So maybe it would be better to describe music in 2 ways - first use the current term that best fits the music in question (eg, ambient, dub, progressive, prog-on, full-on, funky-full-on, dark, whatever)... and then describe it in a way that sums up what the music actually sounds like. You never know, if it's a really good description, it may even catch on.
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volvox box
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 13:29
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it can be NONPSYCHEDELIC TECHNO VARIATION the new name. |
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Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 13:43
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PsychoTronica??
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Saimon/Genetic Spin
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 14:18
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On 2005-07-25 18:47, Junya(Eskimo) wrote:
i know the name as we know it is PSYCHEDELIC TRANCE, but of the last years loads of new style have hatched and influences brought have really change the traditional sound...
So even that it still contains psychedelia, i think the TRANCE part of it has been changed, because the music has alot of sudden interuptions, and things that break you out of a trance when you listen to the music....
What does anyone think of maybe a new title for SOME of the music around today ... Could be nice to give birth to a new area of dance music....
just an idea
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Agreed that the trance element is (or has been) dissappering from psy-trance the last years....the "repetative-Trance-groove" is mostly found in some prog. stuff nowadays, in my oppinion...
Anyways, these bunches of rapid changes in music, together with a very clean, digital-like sound, a lot of cut up stuff, no "left over" verb og delay...less warmness and atmosphere in the mix (compared to the old analog "goa-sound"...(Of course this is stricktly general speaking)
All this make me think of some sort of:
PSYCHEDELIC TECHNO....
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