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mauxuam should be banned from psy parties
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Posted : May 8, 2013 17:38
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Typical fascist and Cult scene mind set. Ban a dude for speaking his mind.
Like collin said it hurts to see the bubble burst, and take a whiff of reality, things may not be so pink and PLURY as they seem to be ....just saying |
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randulon
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Posted : May 8, 2013 18:53
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I'm going to hazard a guess and propose that Mauxuam and Psyhipster are one and the same person and thus nobody is trying to ban the guy from the psy-circuit although he seems to be trying very hard himself to achieve said ban or perhaps just plain ostracisation.
It seems funny that for a while Justin Chaos and Maux appeared to be great buddies with Justin agreeing with everything Maux said on this very forum. He even changed his music taste accordingly or so it seemed going from worshipping Twisted Records and their artists, and others, to vilifying them as soon as Maux showed his disdain for said outfits. Very odd...
It is like watching a fight in a school playground. Pretty pathetic.
And Maux...criticising someone for what drugs they take? Inferring that you are cool somehow because you take DMT with acid? For fucks sake mate, how old are you?
Maybe Freqs of Nature is shit, maybe Ozora has sold out or, maybe some people are dicks but you are also doing quite a good job of showing the world that you too are a massive dick...
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Posted : May 8, 2013 20:06
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The problem is that there is a really incoherent scene, a big gap between it's values and the reality of many people running festivals.
A lot of hypcrisy is needed for it to function.
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Posted : May 8, 2013 22:49
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I take offense at radulon's post as back in the day I watched some good school playground fights.
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Yidam
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Posted : May 9, 2013 07:41
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On 2013-05-08 12:11, aje wrote:
I never heard of Mauxuam, but he has 54 Facebook likes, that`s not a whole lot...given that level of popularity I think 1000 Euros plus travel expenses is a pretty good deal. Heres why:
Lets start with his Shpongle Analogy. Shpongle has 280.000 Facebook fans. Using Facebook as a proxy for popularity, i.e. ability to pull in people to a festival, the following equation results:
54/280.000: 0,00019
That means Mauxuam has 0,00019 times the marketing value of Shpongle. Which seems like a fair assumption, given that as a 15 year veteran of this scene I have never heard of him and Shpongle is probably as big as it gets. Multiplying that number by Shpongles 25.000 €, Mauxuams true market value should be
€ 25.000 * 0,00019 = €4,82
So, Mauxuam should have been satisfied by being served two free beers (at the cost of which they are being sold at Ozora) while playing his set. Because that is his true market worth.
As a business consultant, I am appaled at his gross overpayment. The owner of Ozora should investigate if Josko, who is his friend, might be guilty of nepotism and should be relieved of his duties. At least thats what any rational business would do 
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It is quite probable that Shpongle has bought some of their facebook fans.
https://www.facebook.com/shpongle/likes
anyway, it's shameful to see someone correlate facebook fans with the the value of a musician.
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Posted : May 9, 2013 08:52
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It ain't that many, and Shpongle is getting bigger in the US after 3 tours around the country.
FB for Market value, yeah why not? Totally different that artistic value.
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Yidam
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Posted : May 9, 2013 09:12
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That's actually what Mauxuam is ranting about, only market value determining the payment rather than artistic value. So it looks like he's is trying to do exactly the opposite, kill his market value. Done is a disastrous way no doubt but I can empathise with what he's feeling.
If market value is all that remains in the industry, and you can say bye bye to the core foundations of the scene... which is ironic because most people speaking against Mauxuam talk like they're coming from the origins of the scene.
Psytrance + Goa + Free Spirits + PLUR = High Market Value ?
Quite possible I'm being very idealistic thinking it's not.
Behind all the anger, humor and ridiculousness there is something very sad about this whole incident.
As for the facebook likes, I've bought likes for online businesses, if the most popular city is listed as "Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico" there is a very high probability of the likes being bought. |
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Outolintu
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Posted : May 9, 2013 12:14
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On 2013-05-09 09:12, Yidam wrote:
That's actually what Mauxuam is ranting about, only market value determining the payment rather than artistic value. So it looks like he's is trying to do exactly the opposite, kill his market value. Done is a disastrous way no doubt but I can empathise with what he's feeling.
If market value is all that remains in the industry, and you can say bye bye to the core foundations of the scene... which is ironic because most people speaking against Mauxuam talk like they're coming from the origins of the scene.
Psytrance + Goa + Free Spirits + PLUR = High Market Value ?
Quite possible I'm being very idealistic thinking it's not.
Behind all the anger, humor and ridiculousness there is something very sad about this whole incident.
As for the facebook likes, I've bought likes for online businesses, if the most popular city is listed as "Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico" there is a very high probability of the likes being bought.
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wise words.
i can also enlighten some people about maux's background: he is a pro... he was in the music industry some years a go and has worked with much bigger names than shpongle. but he got fed up with the industry and it's politics. that's perhaps one reason why he is ranting now as he's diappointed in finding the same s#it in a (once upon a time) p.l.u.r. and creative scene. it's no excuse for making hateful comments but this info may give you some perspective...
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 9, 2013 13:53
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Posted : May 9, 2013 14:19
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Initial reaction to Maux was laughing at how he stuck it to the man "bwahaha", but then the reality of this situation sunk in. My anger at a lot of things are for exactly the same reasons.
I'm also a big fan of Maux's music and DJ taste so it's sad to see someone you look up to lay himself out like that and make a mockery of his world. I blame a money centric system where greed has taken precedence to artistic values, like most things out there. Psytrance has not been spared, that is for sure.
We've also been looking for bookings this summer, thought it might have been easier this year considering we played Boom last year but it's been exceptionally hard. Getting paid to play is even harder. All the while you see music projects that were started primarily keeping the "market value" in mind zoom ahead. It's not a nice feeling especially if you've made life sacrifices for your music. Can't deny then that majority organizers do think like Ricciardo.
In fairness to the Freq's of Nature orgnizers, we contacted them on a completely cold call and they were nice enough to reply and even tell us that we contacted them a bit late so that's why it didn't work out. That's opposed to the dozen other festivals out there that don't even respond to booking queries or give some copy-pasted response.
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Yidam
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Posted : May 9, 2013 14:22
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@Colin, actually Mexico City pops up more often when you're doing an international AD campaign, but also when you buy 3rd party likes. Excision has explained the situation quite thoroughly on his blog. Doesn't change the fact that you need to invest money for likes.
If Mexico City popped up without any campaigns then I guess they just dig OOOD there There's always a possibility for that kind of coincidence given the large population.
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Posted : May 9, 2013 14:42
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On 2013-05-08 04:22, Colin OOOD wrote:
If we didn't cling so hard to the bubbles we live in, it wouldn't hurt so much when they got burst.
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and this pretty much covers all that there is to be said in situations like these. 
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Posted : May 9, 2013 15:23
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In many cases can market value not be boosted by artistic value? Surely the two are not mutually exclusive? |
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Posted : May 9, 2013 16:57
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On 2013-05-08 12:11, aje wrote:
I never heard of Mauxuam, but he has 54 Facebook likes, that`s not a whole lot...given that level of popularity I think 1000 Euros plus travel expenses is a pretty good deal. Heres why:
Lets start with his Shpongle Analogy. Shpongle has 280.000 Facebook fans. Using Facebook as a proxy for popularity, i.e. ability to pull in people to a festival, the following equation results:
54/280.000: 0,00019
That means Mauxuam has 0,00019 times the marketing value of Shpongle. Which seems like a fair assumption, given that as a 15 year veteran of this scene I have never heard of him and Shpongle is probably as big as it gets. Multiplying that number by Shpongles 25.000 €, Mauxuams true market value should be
€ 25.000 * 0,00019 = €4,82
So, Mauxuam should have been satisfied by being served two free beers (at the cost of which they are being sold at Ozora) while playing his set. Because that is his true market worth.
As a business consultant, I am appaled at his gross overpayment. The owner of Ozora should investigate if Josko, who is his friend, might be guilty of nepotism and should be relieved of his duties. At least thats what any rational business would do
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It is quite probable that Shpongle has bought some of their facebook fans.
https://www.facebook.com/shpongle/likes
anyway, it's shameful to see someone correlate facebook fans with the the value of a musician.
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Nope, you totally misunderstood me. Im talking about market value, which decides how much you get paid. And popularity determines market value, because Im sure a whole lot of people went to Ozora for Shpongle, but only a handful if any for Mauxuam...
Artisitic value is a totally different beast, thats in the eye of the beholder (I personally am not a big Shpongle fanboy, for example). But, many beholders think Shpongle has a lot of artisitic value, thats why they have so many fans. And why in the world would Shpongle need to buy fans on FB? I was actaully surprised how few they had, given how popular they got in the whole US jam band scene which is huuuuuuuuuuuuge...
THat being said, id much rather see a good underground DJ with great taste in music than a big popular act, but fact of the matter for organizers is big popular acts sell tickets, thats why they get more money!
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Posted : May 9, 2013 17:10
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I see no problems at all with what he has said. It's honest. Those who find it offensive need to stop being princesses & suck it up like real men.
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