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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 10:20:18
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hello all ,
i have been messing around with cubase 5's audiowarp feature to sync 2 tracks to be same bpm and gradually make the transition happen from one to the next , however arent the pitches of the 2 tracks also supposed to sound to same ?
isint that the idea of djing ? to make the pitch and bpm sound as one ? i hear a lot of sets , where the pitch is totally off , only the bpm has been mixed in ...
thoughts please ,
chandan singh
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Mike A
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 11:45
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Shiranui
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 22:39
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people don't like to timestretch tracks because it often introduces artifacts, especially on CDJs which don't have as good of a timestretching method as cubase |
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 10:29
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cdj's are not timestretching unless you have the master tempo active if im not mistaken. However the mastertempo algorithm sucks on the cdj's.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 22:04
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On 2011-02-02 10:29, Dennis the menace wrote:
cdj's are not timestretching unless you have the master tempo active if im not mistaken. However the mastertempo algorithm sucks on the cdj's.
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I don't understand this post. The first sentence doesn't contradict what I said at all, and the second sentence in fact repeats something I said! |
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Feb 3, 2011 10:16
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Feb 3, 2011 11:58
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On 2011-02-02 22:04, Shiranui wrote:
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On 2011-02-02 10:29, Dennis the menace wrote:
cdj's are not timestretching unless you have the master tempo active if im not mistaken. However the mastertempo algorithm sucks on the cdj's.
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I don't understand this post. The first sentence doesn't contradict what I said at all, and the second sentence in fact repeats something I said!
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Pitching and time streching are 2 different things, time streching doesnt change the pitch and the key = mastertempo, thats the one that sucks on the cdj's. However if you pitch less than 3% you will remain in the same key if im not mistaken.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Feb 3, 2011 16:06
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Changing the key independent from the tempo requires timestretching no matter how you shake it.
If I have a track that's in A and I speed it up +6% it's going to be A#--I have to timestretch it (or pitch-shift, same thing really) to get it in any other key. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 4, 2011 00:22
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On 2011-02-03 16:06, Shiranui wrote:
Changing the key independent from the tempo requires timestretching no matter how you shake it.
If I have a track that's in A and I speed it up +6% it's going to be A#--I have to timestretch it (or pitch-shift, same thing really) to get it in any other key.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_timescale-pitch_modification
take a read
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Jacob Goadream
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Posted : Feb 4, 2011 00:52
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On 2011-02-03 11:58, Dennis the menace wrote:
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On 2011-02-02 22:04, Shiranui wrote:
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On 2011-02-02 10:29, Dennis the menace wrote:
cdj's are not timestretching unless you have the master tempo active if im not mistaken. However the mastertempo algorithm sucks on the cdj's.
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I don't understand this post. The first sentence doesn't contradict what I said at all, and the second sentence in fact repeats something I said!
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Pitching and time streching are 2 different things, time streching doesnt change the pitch and the key = mastertempo, thats the one that sucks on the cdj's. However if you pitch less than 3% you will remain in the same key if im not mistaken.
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I think it's 1.4% up or down before you start to change key....
I know a perfectly beatmatched mix with a major key clash sound worse than finger nails and a chaulk board...IMO |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Feb 4, 2011 02:39
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What in that article contradicts anything I've said?
Pitch shifting an audio clip down by a half-step is exactly equivalent to timestretching it to ~105.94% (the twelfth root of 2) of its original length, and then resampling it back to that original length.
(leaving out vocal processing/formants here of course) |
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Feb 4, 2011 07:06
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On 2011-02-04 02:39, Shiranui wrote:
What in that article contradicts anything I've said?
Pitch shifting an audio clip down by a half-step is exactly equivalent to timestretching it to ~105.94% (the twelfth root of 2) of its original length, and then resampling it back to that original length.
(leaving out vocal processing/formants here of course)
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i agree ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTPJuMSwzUQ |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 5, 2011 01:16
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Shiranui - i was referring to that you said,
Timestretching and pitch shifting was the same thing.
"I have to timestretch it (or pitch-shift, same thing really) to get it in any other key."
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Feb 5, 2011 22:00
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keeping the master tempo on will keep the track in key no matter how much u + or - u bend it!!! however i have read often ppl complaining the track seems to get quiet choppy while pitched +... i have been mixin with master tempo on over the years and it seems to work fine for me unless pitched over or lower by 5%  |
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Mike A
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Posted : Feb 6, 2011 11:03
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Traktor is doing just fine.
I always keep key lock on when changing speed and the crowd seeems happy about it.
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