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Med
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 00:05
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Police-violence escalating against peaceful citizens,this happens everywhere,n its expected at any outdoor psyparties.
WHY is that when we r by our own n not harming any1 they wanna stop us ?
WHY when we respect nature more than they do ,they dont let us be there ?
WHY are party people all over the world pestered, persecuted, jailed, beaten and in some cases even mutilated ?
To gain acceptance for raves and parties the attitude of all involved has to change.This escalation is also due to the inadequate behavior of sum individuals,due to the handling of hard drugs also while driving,& and garbage problems left at the scene.
Dont u guyz think that we can make it better?
Think TWICE
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 02:44
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Nice topic!!!
It's good to see someone with a balance perspective- assigning blame to both the Police and irresponsible partiers.
IMO the authority figures of the world are threatened by youth culture and large gatherings of young people. These kinds of cultures are fertile ground for radical ideas and discontent with "the system". In past generations, such as durning the the Vietnam War in the United States, youth culture showed that it could make life difficult for the government.
The governments of the world are petrified of a repeat of the 1960's and 1970's in the USA happening in their country. The conservative government of the USA certainly does not relish this prospect.
On the other hand most countries where psytrance is big have some sort of protections of freedom to assemble and freedom from arrest or search without cause.
Not giving the Police an excuse to bother us a major thing that can be done to protect ourselves (although in places like Utah this has been shown not to be sufficient).
Also winning the war of public opionion is important. Cracking down on raves and drugs should not be allowed to be a politically popular goal. This means that each and every one of us should regard ourselves as ambassadors of our trance culture. This means not littering/trashing party sites, not letting friends drive while intoxicated, talking friends out of foolish drug cocktails. Every one of us that dies or ends up in the hospital is one more card for the people who want to stop us to play against us, even worse if someone else gets hurt like in a car accident.
Go forth my fellow trancers, and win the hearts and minds of the world!
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 02:48
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The cops are totally cool up here in Canada. I think the problem is drug hysteria... the view is - where there is all night dancing, there is hard drug usage. Well, are they wrong?
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Cosmic Tandav
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 03:47
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Forest dreams
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 07:17
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On 2006-06-29 00:05, Mad Eclipse wrote:
WHY is that when we r by our own n not harming any1 they wanna stop us ?
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they are the Law, and undere the law, what WE are doing is not considered legal...
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On 2006-06-29 00:05, Mad Eclipse wrote:
WHY are party people all over the world pestered, persecuted, jailed, beaten and in some cases even mutilated ?
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because most partie people are involved consumption of illegal mind altering substances, which is illegal and this world runs on those laws!
i mean party orgs, and drug dealers dont pay tax do they?
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On 2006-06-29 00:05, Mad Eclipse wrote:
Dont u guyz think that we can make it better?
Think TWICE
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True... We can make a difference!
Lets Spike the Cops 
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Gopendragon
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 07:28
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On 2006-06-29 02:48, basilisk wrote:
The cops are totally cool up here in Canada. I think the problem is drug hysteria... the view is - where there is all night dancing, there is hard drug usage. Well, are they wrong?
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everyone makes his choices,and cops also make their own choice to be cops,but it is not my choice to be busted in the jail because I had fun time dancing, and smoking spliefs...
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 07:54
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Instead of trying to fight the legal system, I'm sure we could have outdoor parties legalised. Of course it would be a lot of effort and I know not many people would even think of taking the initiative.
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shamanizer
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 12:09
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Old biased laws are still in place. Thats the main reason why police harasses parties. World should consider for example mind altering drugs from new perspective. Fair enough, they are not a good tool for military purposes and might make people more open minded, peace loving and nature nurturing, but its not a valid reason to ban them globally.
Outdated global drugs policy is definitely one of the main reasons why parties are being stopped by the police. Another thing is environmental aspect and if it is so that party production and partiers do not clean the mess on the spot and simply leave it on the ground its just right to prevent parties from taking place.
To change attitudes takes action from government side and from trancers side, objective dialogue might help, although its hard to make the message to be heard in unconscious and biased ears. |
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 12:49
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Maybe a less "Drugs are god" attitude would benefit the whole scene worldwide. |
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shamanizer
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 13:30
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On 2006-06-29 12:49, TrippyJohnny wrote:
Maybe a less "Drugs are god" attitude would benefit the whole scene worldwide.
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No doubt about it, although I would like to make a difference between psychedelics and recretional party drugs. As much as people in the scene should get rid of the attitude to revere drugs, authorities should get rid of their obsession that drugs are the ultimate evil. |
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 14:03
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On 2006-06-29 12:09, shamanizer wrote:
Old biased laws are still in place. Thats the main reason why police harasses parties. World should consider for example mind altering drugs from new perspective. Fair enough, they are not a good tool for military purposes and might make people more open minded, peace loving and nature nurturing, but its not a valid reason to ban them globally.
Outdated global drugs policy is definitely one of the main reasons why parties are being stopped by the police. Another thing is environmental aspect and if it is so that party production and partiers do not clean the mess on the spot and simply leave it on the ground its just right to prevent parties from taking place.
To change attitudes takes action from government side and from trancers side, objective dialogue might help, although its hard to make the message to be heard in unconscious and biased ears.
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Well I don't understand why a DRUG like alchohol is allowed when it does 'alter your state of mind'. Just because the govt has allowed alchohol to be sold, 'but you have to be of a certain age to kill yourself. Yeah just 21.' that doesn't make alchohol any better. I'm not blaming you, I'm just blaming how things work. Just because illegal drugs are fast killers doesn't mean slow killers like alchohol should be made available to all.
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shamanizer
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 14:10
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Right on, with mind altering i was referring to psychedelics, even though it is true that all the drugs alter the mind in a way or another. |
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Med
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 14:15
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I once made a research abt the diff between alcohols n drugs,n y this one is legal n the other isnt...
well guys,the worst thing was that cigarettes and alcohols are much worse than drugz,n tobaccos r more addictive than naturals,,n alcohols r depressants which fcuk ur mind faster than recreational drugs do so.....
I cant understand y all over the world,its the same scene,,cigis n alcohols r legal,but other things arnt,well in the end its all upto us to make it,,if we only do this in a better way,n if we control the way we do things ,n if we only make a better reputation for ourselves as trancers,n change the pigs' point of view abt us,Thats when we get better and ppl wud understand sumthing abt us.
@TrippyJohnny
IF ONLY the ppl who get to the party just to do drugs wud understand that * drugs rnt god* then i think thats 1 point for us..
Lets make a change,lets make those ppl understand how we r inside,n let em kno that we rnt as bad as they think
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Vicky
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 14:57
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legal rules are different from country to country.. but here in india there are two aspects
(leave aside the garbage left over prob...thts the last thing tht the govt will bother about)..
others are use of loud speakers after certain permitted time.. and other being the use of d's.
now there are gatherings of youths for other shows too like rock shows and open air music fests... but they are only permitted till a certain time limit which they abide by and go home happy after the show... its only us who want to dance whole night to morning to night to morning and can go on ... which will certainly baffel the oldies and raise doubts about the drug use...
so for india its bit difficult to change the legal systems viewpoint about our psy scene.. but with time attitude does change and things will defi fall in place...
meanwhile rock on 
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Sakiskimo
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Posted : Jun 29, 2006 17:27
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This scene from the start till now is underground and illegal.The law now days is a litl beet more elastic to as ,but how can they let as do what we wont when the 40% of as don 't respecet the things you have say in the start. When you are in the club and a party going on you want to take a Acid or snif coce or . . .this is illegal, when someone fucked up and go home his parrents will call police and fuck them because his child have freaked out, the Boss of the club is resposible for this cituation and the cops fuck him .Even you are not take this things, defently you want to spliff a joint when you are in a party, this is illegal to them and the same things will happen.
Know how they can let as do what we want, when we fucked everythink, when they let as free.
It will be very nice to happen all this thing you say. . . But as long this scene is underground and illegal the cops will do their Job and fucked up our partys and we going to Dance the Trance and make them life difficult.
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