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LOVE AND DEVOTION OCT 1st thru the 3rd in S.F.
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ohmy
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Posted : Sep 28, 2004 23:09
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I completely agree with you paradigm. killing the dance floor is bad. I don't think it is fair for you to say that mubali playing his own music, which is very very much right in with the underground san francisco sound would kill any dance floor.
i think it is ok if you are playing music that you like. If I don't like what I am playing, how can you expect anybody too. if I am very very excited about a trac, it is infectious, and people sometimes like it, even if it is 157 bpm in the middle of the afternoon. Rules SUCK!!!!! can we all get that going as a mantra? Even well intentioned guidelines in an open minded community, well, they are just guidelines. I think our scene would be really exciting if the dj's didn't worry about "what they should be doing". I don't really feel that any of the crazy underground writers of san francisco that are writing music that is pretty crazy are doing , as you put it, a "piss poor" job. but I can relate, I often feel that way when I hear a set of gms spun by someone else. i wouldn't call it piss poor (i am not sure what this expression means) but I would say it leaves me feeling worse than when I went to the party. a bad dj set, well, it almost feels like a mind violation. interesting debate though, hopefully some more artists will chime in.
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obu
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Posted : Sep 28, 2004 23:46
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I agree completely, a bad dj set does feel like a mind violation. The problem: tastes differ too much, this is always going to happen. Selfish DJ's will never understand this, one can hope they look up at the crowd every now and then. As for djs not worrying about what they should be doing, I dont competely agree with that. I think thats way to much of a rockstar attitude. DJs should be doing a lot of things, its your job, its the lack of professional djs that leads to horrible mental experiences. It works fine in SF, since nobody ever gets paid, but once money is involved? You feel no obligation? Even without $$ there should be some sense of obligation. Think about the people who actually dished out their hard earned money for a horrid mental experience, poor people. But, again it boils down to taste.
People should know what they are getting themselves into by looking at the lineup and promoters should put acts/djs in an order that makes sense.
My little rant? hehe...
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djfanboy
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Posted : Sep 29, 2004 00:17
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*sigh*
If only every DJ or artist/producer had that work ethic.
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paradigm
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Posted : Sep 29, 2004 01:36
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Agreed people should know what they are doing and getting themselves in to according to a lineup.
However should, and do's are completley different things.
That being said, Im not saying Mubali should not play his own stuff, nor would it kill a dance floor. IT does quite the oposite in fact, as i have witnessed more times that i can count
The issue i raised was that of a artist playing there stuff for there own enjoyment or for a select few at a inapropriate time. It seemed that all the
"trauma trancers" were trying to get him to play his most intense stuff, when he himself recognizes the earlier set for what it is.
and who knows maybe the whole crowd being so wound up from the Love Parade will fully want to be abused and hurt then anyways
As a good dj he will be able to recgonize that, and do what it calls for, im sure, but we all should strive for the same, that way we can avoid mentally assualting (love that term) the masses
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alienfreaksho:)
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Posted : Sep 29, 2004 04:10
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this is a funny debate..my point was more that a dj should be booked in the timeslot of the music he plays...sure they can tone it down for the time but why not book them based on what they play and what they make...there are many more djs playing 11pm music than 3 am music...so why put a late dj early...sure once hes in the slot he needs to watch the dancefloor...
on another note the MOE party in spring opened with mubali and it set the tone for the night everyone banged it and the dancefloor rocked....some would say it wasnt 10pm music but as ohmy is saying what is 10pm music? the whole party the music worked and flowed...
this is an ongoing debate and will always be since perception is different for all of us...
big peace!~
ps the trauma trancers...so cute:) at gil we are all trauma trancers together for some madness!~ hehhehe
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Sep 29, 2004 04:17
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the line up here is confusing me too.
can't figure out which room is suposed to be which!
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Ohmy said it right: S.F. is one of the last refuges of a certian harsh "underground" sound. Often intended to cause "a horrible mental experience", a lot of it would be boo'ed off the dancefloor anywhere else I know of.
The only thing I have ever heard that came close, was the legions of aspiring lone derangers, the droves of Demon Tea/PsyHarmonics label rejects in Australia. At festivals there was a whole parking lot/side stage scene full of hack acts with laptops, Acid Pro, and library worth of weirdo + drug samples. They explore the same gritty territories of fears, failure, fuck-ups, discobobulation, shadow projections, overdoses and tweak-outs.... but most of them try and present it with a twist of funk, and most importantly a dry sense of humor that almost everyone can get. Not just card-carrying sado-machocists. And they try (and often fail) to make it sound camp and *hilariously* too much, over-the-top.
I'm much more accepting of this kind of gritty "underground" sound. At least it's not 167 bpm, and could pass for some kind of "party music".
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Yeah, FUn. Funny. Enjoyable. Colorful. Demented and wacky. Even crazy. Peace, Love Unity, Respect. A party! Not a purgatory. A safe place , fun place for people to go out of their minds and make a good new imprint. i see no need to agitate and paranoia-fy - the acid and nighttime does that plenty naturally, thank you.
and feel the LOVE at the Love Parade. At this event: it don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that heart chakra bling.
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ohmy
Fractal Cowboys
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Posted : Sep 29, 2004 17:40
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brett, jeez, you are right, we all get together and think of ways to make people have a horrible mental experience. I know every time I make something too harsh sounding, I give it to vector selector.
I use quasar's sounds that are too off sounding. And off rythem kick drums, straight to Amanda, who if she can't use them to make people have a horrible experience, well, the master of mayhem ghreg on earth can.
mubali is on your side brett. he always lectures us all, at our meetings to destroy the planet, to think about the happy people, and what would gms do? That is what we go to bed thinking about, what would gms do?
ask yourselves that
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Sep 29, 2004 18:23
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owwww! Ohmy stop it or i'm gonna tell my mom!
how come you guys always pick of my all-time idol trance heroes GMS (who told you about the topless posters of Bansi and Ritkam in my bathroom!  ) , and the other two... Astrix (actually never heard this artist) and Alien Project (have one track of theirs on a DVD).
you're mean! hititng such sensitive spots.
Sarcasm aside: I'd have to put GMS at about number #19 of my list of top trance acts...
and to answer your question"What would GMS do?"
if we are to believe their samples.., and they do a lot of acid and mescaline...
But I know they consistently destroty trance floors accross the globe and whip parties into wild, foaming frenzies that are so frantic, spun-out and completely , furiously nuts... that your jaw would drop. take notes!
write a track about GMS for us..and explore your issues with them.
and FEEL THE LOVE at the love parade. I love you!
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 29, 2004 19:08
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Ok... this has gone far beyond rediculous... Let's put it into perspective.... I am now playing at 11 instead of opening, which dramatically changes what I feel like playing. Now I never at any point said I was playing any fluff, I just was thinking about playing more of a minimal sounding set if I were opening. Now that I am not, I still am going to do what I was asked to do. Bridge between two dj's that have their own sound. Because the party will end earlier than other events, 11pm is looking like a really good time to start taking things to the next level to an extent. I never said I wasn't planning on playing some of my own stuff, I just wasn't sure if my 150 bpm nasty mofo would really be fully appreciated by the crowd. If they aren't going to dance too it, why play it...
I do agree with Sho that a dj/artist should be booked for a timeslot that best represents the music that they play, but sometimes that doesn't happen. What am I supposed to do? Decline to play any slot before 1 am?? That is definitely the Rock Star mentality that I personally abhor. Not to mention it will be fun for me to do this. So many times in the past 6 months I have been asked to play all my own stuff, and even though I wrote it and love, I get tired of hearing the same trax frequently. I write more, but I am not quite as productive as I used to be.
I am not saying that I am not going to play some heavy shit, because I am for damn sure. But I have to remember what the dj's before and after me are playing and make sure that the transitions of sounds are not too dramatic. That is the real thing behind this, being able to adapt to any situation. That's what separates the dj's that play locally and the ones that play all over the world.
And for the record. I am NOT PLAYING LIVE at this one. It is just a dj set. I am saving my first official LIVE set for Circles of Sound (and I am playing at a time appropriate to my music for that event) Thanks Paradigm... An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. |
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djfanboy
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Posted : Sep 29, 2004 19:30
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There'll be plenty of fluff goin' round anyway, Mubali. I look forward to your set, whatever you do. |
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alienfreaksho:)
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Posted : Sep 29, 2004 22:47
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go mubali go:) again i dont think you should turn down gigs..( i dont know any dj that would like that) its more the organziers responsibility to ask people to play for the time of the music they make.,..and this goes even more for producers alot of time and love goes into the music being made so it would be best if it could be expressed...
this isnt only about you mubali its something ive seen for a long time...
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big peace!~
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 30, 2004 00:38
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Originally this event was supposed to be an outdoor and be 3 days long, but in an attempt not to make people choose between the Love Parade and the event, this event was made. Which explains both why the event on Friday is over at 3am and why the lineup looks a little incomplete flowwise.
I definitely agree that flow is very important. I have seen several events where the flow could have been better and it really affects the energy of an event. I also have been to events where dj's that I knew played a certain sound, ended up playing something different than what they normally do. It really worked as well, because each dj really paid attention to the dancefloor and played stuff that was appropriate for the time that they were playing. It was one of the few parties I had went to that I couldn't be removed from the dancefloor.
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mubali
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Posted : Oct 1, 2004 20:28
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So anyway...
This party is gonna be really off the hook both days, with a Love Parade in the middle for fun! I am incredibly looking forward to hearing everyone play.. The dancefloor will take no prisoners and neither will the dj (unless they're cute)  Whatever anyones plans are this evening, I hope all have fun and see ya on the street!
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obu
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Posted : Oct 1, 2004 21:09
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Seriously this weekend will rock!! Lets start if off right tonight... |
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jyoty
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Posted : Oct 2, 2004 00:48
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damn u guys r so funny! there's nothin' like a lil isratrance drama to start your day! i must say thanx for the entertainment, however, in a community that claims to transcend most bullshit...we sure are missing the mark! we seem no better than a bunch of gangsta rappers fighting over the whole east coast west coast style..
now there's something to think about! |
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