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London Party Line ups are boring.
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VCO
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 13:04
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How many times have we seen Infected Mushroom, Astral Projection and israeli artists in the UK?
Don't get me wrong, maximum respect to these artists, but its getting a bit boring.
I haven't seen a line up that included artists like Dado, Serge, GBU, Bamboo Forest, Kox Box for ages.
If its a full-on thing, they can rock the floor just as much as the israeli ones (more if you ask me).
There is so much talent in the UK that is being neglected... Tristan, Shakta, Aphid Moon, James Monroe, Simon Posford, Joti...
This new "X-heavy metal fans scene" have surrounded us, and we keep forgeting who the most important and pioneers of this music are.
Where is the trance in the psy-trance?
Think about it...
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John
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 14:56
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To be fair Astral Projection have only played about 4 times in the last 4yrs and Infected Mushroom cannot have been over here more than a few times (although I think its twice this year)
There are lots of reasons why line ups are as they are. Putting on parties is an expensive business and acts who do plsy a lot - play a lot because people want to see them. Also party promoters may have strong links to record labels or just like a certain sort of sound.
And, as ever - if nobdoy is doing what you want to hear & you think others would be interested - then book a venue, book some acts & DJs nobody else is booking, print some flyers and do a party - its not rocket science!
I do agree with the x-heavy metal fan bit though 
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Nik
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 15:02
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the israeli sound has been flogged massively and although it is a great style its too hard not to be sick of the formula/atmosphere when countless djs are plugging this sound too.
obviously this has a lot to do with the promoters and their selection of artists. there dosent seem to be enough variation in styles at a lot of club events anymore. its always safe, same basslines, same build up, same cheesy, quirky melody....but i dont think that most UK youth really want much of that to be honest....we like a bit of underground grit in our underground music yeah?!
but then again some nights that have tried to bring more diversity havent been that successful lately either.
it would be great to see more of the UK artists you mentioned but i think we need to get behind the new UK artists that are emerging and build new excitement in the scene.
as for new parties....symbiosis - although, again, featuring israeli acts i have a feeling that if they carry the nights in to the future this could be one to watch out for.
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VCO
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 15:24
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John, do you honestly believe that people in the UK don't want to see Tristan, Simon, Serge, Dado play as much as the acts that we see again and again in the UK section?
There were a few parties last year in the Rex that included Bamboo Forest, Deedrah, The Delta, the Dragonfly party that Shakta and M.W.N.N. played. These parties involved great numbers, the music was great (including the israeli stuff) as was the crowd and everyone could enjoy them selves.
London used to be te place you realy wanted to be if psy-trance is your thing. But things are so different now.
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jon
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 15:30
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Hmmm I think most UK people do play in London every so often.... but maybe not that frequently you are right....... Aphid Moon was supposed to play at the Liquid outdoor at the beginning of summer, and played at Natural Order last year, Tristan was at the Little Green Planet outdoor, we had Prometheus at the Photon Generator party, we just had Dino the other week.
On the other hand..... I am surprised to see Infected back again : I enjoyed them at Astral Phoenix last year, but perhaps we dont need a clone of that party - some variety would be nice.... I am actually a bit worried about the safety aspects of all those people getting in the main room of the se1 when infected come on.... that room isnt as big as the rex main room....
On the other side of the argument, to state the bleedin obvious, the israelis are fucking good at fullon trance! That is why we see them a lot over here - on the whole they are better at it than we are.
Oh yeah I thought of another UK dude - we just had Junya playing live at Astral Phoenix and he was at least as good as the israeli guys!
Oh and Raja Ram DJ set if you like that kind of thing.
Didnt graham Wood play in London the other day?
OTT - there's another - I saw him in London a few months ago. And I think he's played more recently than that in London at parties I havent happened to be at.
like I said : it is not realistic to expect equal numbers of UK versus Israeli cos there are more of them than us. I think you are really asking : can we please have Simon Posford!!!!!!!! hehe
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VCO
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 15:41
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Ok...guilty as charged about Simon!.. ehe he.
But although I love some of the israeli full-on stuff, I'd say that Tristan's latest stuff is as good (to say the least) as the stuff that is coming from israel.
Also, the french crew.
Dado and Serge, when was the last time they played in the UK?
Have GBU ever even played here?
With all due respect, I don't think Junya's music is different to the israeli stuff that is being shuved down our throats.
Don't get me wrong. I really like some israeli stuff, but the london party scene is going to make me hate it!
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tom anteater
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 16:58
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well viz dado and serge, we had dado last year at the rex (may 11th with gms) and i can remember serge at an enlightenment in november 2001 (6/11??).. um serge was top notch actually, be good to see him again.. and dado has a new album out so he must be wanting to play.. promoters??
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NeutroN
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 17:59
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VCO IMO their is a lot going on, more then we can actually cope with if you ask me, I wished I had enough money and time to go to all the parties. Prodigal Sun, Orion and OTT are playing some time next week and guess what non? of them are isaeli
I think you just have to select the parties that are really worth going to, but I hope we do see Son Kite some time next yr since they will be with a new album and hopefull Hux Flux as well.
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Nik
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 18:23
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yea when you think about it (or when youre informed by the scarily accurate encyclopedic knowledge of Mr Anteater/Jon) ....there is a lot of non-israeli artists playing in london.
i think you make reference to tommorrow's antiworld party? astral phoenix NYE? no?
big parties eh? i suppose its what you expect for the bigger parties as the israeli sound is def. more mainstream and commercial. i have read that most tickets for the mushy gig tommorrow have sold out already - so the majority of psy heads in london cant be too hacked off with it eh?
dont forget x-dream play at the eq soon. cant argue that they are not pioneering artists......
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Astral Mike
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Posted : Nov 22, 2003 01:41
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i think the problem is too many organisers (also artists & labels) copying the same style. astral phoenix has always promoted israeli acts (and in particular Hommega artists). I've been doing this for over 5 years, and i will not change the music policy and disregard the relationship i've built with Hommega records just to please a few "non-full-on" ppl who wish to hear a different style.
If you are referring to the NYE line-up, well i think you're misunderstood. The main line-up (100% Hommega) is far from boring, each and every artist (sub6, psysex, psycraft, delirous, hujaboy) has their own unique style, and are signed to a label that DOES encourage diversity! There will also be a progressive room, and two other rooms of chilled out ambient & funk...
As far people accusing astral phoenix of being commercial, well i guess thats to be expected. In the minds of some in the scene, any event that has been succesful and survived for so many years has to be commercial right? well in my opinon thats ridiculous jealousy talking. astral phoenix is no more commercial than the labels, artists, and dj's that we support.
My idea of "pioneering" artists are sub6, psysex, infected mushroom, astrix, cosma, xerox, blt, to name just a few. at the end of the day its down to muscial TASTE, and this is MY taste 100% (it always has been).
its too easy to be boring, sit on the sidelines and complain about things. if you are unhappy with the parties these days, my suggestion is to be POSITIVE, open your mind, get involved and help, or make a change and start your own.
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liquid ross
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Posted : Nov 22, 2003 14:12
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don't curse the darkness, turn on the light...
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jon
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Posted : Nov 22, 2003 15:50
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if he was to come to london soon then i would be extremely happy..... i was blown apart by his set at samothraki this year!!!! 2001 is too long ago....
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wiley peyote
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Posted : Nov 22, 2003 23:26
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WELL,
how about for a different line-up for a London psy party:::
-Neuromotor
-Bio Tonic
-EVP
-Ott
-Indidginus
-Stirling Moss
-Audio Pancake
and thats just the live acts.....
for more info, check out http://www.xentrix.org
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djvlado
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Posted : Nov 23, 2003 18:21
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well...get ready for a party in Rex early next year. Four live acts each from diferent part of the world all fresh and new... 3 of them first time in London...more info coming soon...
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VCO
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Posted : Nov 24, 2003 12:12
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People, I am not reffering to the NYE party, or any party oganisation in particular. Let me say that I've had a great time at Astral Phoenix's parties my self. I love Sub 6 and I am definitely checking them out when they play.
Let me add that you people are really jumpy as well! I am not throwing arrows, I am just reffering to Infected Mushroom and Astral Projection, and the neo full-on israeli acts. I like them my self, but what I don't really like, is the same music every weekend.
I see the point of the organisers, booking them again and again, but organisers know that, Dado/Serge/Tristan/Simon will also get, at least 4000 punters through the Rex's doors.
Like I said I really like some of the Israeli stuff, I am not attacking the young israeli acts.
But I've been into trance music for almost a decade now, and I simply miss seeing in London the guys I mentioned.
Because of this continuous, new full-on israeli artists bookings, the party crowd is also changing. By all means, give these new kids on the block a chance, the definitely deserve it. But the trance dance floor, is overloaded with loads of young kinds and glow stick ravers.
Let me meake my self clear and say that I do not have anything against them, but people that have been partying around the world, and meet in one of london's big party dancefloors, feel a bit alianated.
All I am saying/asking is that it would be great to see the older (I know IM and AP have been around that long as well) psychedelic trance pioneers, amongst the regular neo full-on israeli acts.
Its not like Tristan, Serge, Dado..etc have stopped producing new tunes or something. On the contrary they have new stuff coming out.
Give them young kids a glimpse of psychedelic trance's flip side.
We our selves loved it as teenagers, and so will they.
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