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Lets not confuse not beat matching with not mixing at all
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droozi
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Posted : May 11, 2007 19:21
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Hi,
I have seen a whole bunch of topics on this section about how chillout really does not need to be beat matched etc etc, however I think what that translates to, to some people (you know who you are) is not mixing chillout at all, just playing one track after another - IMO this is against any ethics of being a DJ. Agreed you dont beat match, but there needs to be some emphasis on flow. So the real question now is - Do you as a chill out listener prefer to hear a set with one good track after another with no regard to flow OR would rather listen to set which has some good tracks and some so-so tracks but has good flow. My answer is obvious from the introduction - but waddya guys think? |
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Forest dreams
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Posted : May 11, 2007 20:02
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Obviously, would rather listen to set which has some good tracks and some so-so tracks but has good flow. Thats the point of a set innit? a story.
The track selection however matters, and in a set, I would also prefer listening to simmilar bpm tracks most of the time rather than having a huge difference like in most mixed Va compilations.
I somehow feel that it all comes down to what track you would play after the one thats playing. I think thats what matters.
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John
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Posted : May 11, 2007 22:19
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On 2007- however I think what that translates to, to some people (you know who you are) is not mixing chillout at all, just playing one track after another
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Better call the DJ police...
The main reason for beat mixing on a dancefloor is to keep the music seamless for dancing (no counting the breakdowns of course, which now seem to be every two minutes... in fact that is a very interesting point - just what *is* the point of beatmxing when you have so many breakdowns...)anyway...
Chillout rooms are (obviously)different - they're there for people to chill out (!), have a chat, drift off or maybe swing their hips to something that doesnt go doof doof quark. As long as that is happening it doenst matter how/what the DJ is doing as long as the tunes are good & everyone is happy.
Personally I'd much prefer to listen to someone like Pathaan (who isnt the world's greatest mixer but has stunning collection of tunes) than someone seamlessly mixing the greatest hits of LSD/interchill/ultimae
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damon
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Posted : May 12, 2007 01:36
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On 2007-05-11 22:19, John wrote:
Personally I'd much prefer to listen to someone like Pathaan (who isnt the world's greatest mixer but has stunning collection of tunes) than someone seamlessly mixing the greatest hits of LSD/interchill/ultimae
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Same here.
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xerxes[no]
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Posted : May 12, 2007 04:58
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you, or anyone for that matter, will never ever find the real answer to this question 
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Rui Ferreira
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Posted : May 12, 2007 18:32
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i think when you have a huge collection of music you can find great tunes to beatmatch and also to make a great flow aswell...so is no escuse to say that i prefer someone with lots of good tunes instead of a dj with great skills...we need to have both |
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andrew interchill
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Posted : May 14, 2007 21:38
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I agree with John...
if you have to match tempo on every mix then your selection is really limited... and you have to chuck in earthgarden, or olelo when really everyone's heard those tunes millions of times. I prefer to play the music that is inspiring me, even if it means a change of tempo.
sure, there's room for beatmatching chill sets, but one of the things i like most about the chill space is the room for contrast and freedom to do what you want... and sometimes when the beat is not the defining guide your ears and mind get drenched with the melty bits at the beginning and end of a tune... and when you stop moving it can lead to your visuals and heightened senses really starting a movement of their own.
the best is to be able to beatmatch perfectly and use it when you want... it should not be an "either or" situation
another qualifier is that some of the music we listen to is so full that to mix in more layers and sounds leads to a muddy mess and sometimes dissonance...
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droozi
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Posted : May 14, 2007 22:04
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@andrew - whats wrong with Olelo .... So it sounds like the group thus far is tending more towards great tunes but not necc. good flow. Once again I am not talking about beat matching, I am talking about flow - like I believe playing a Evan Marc track after say CBL is bad flow ( depends on the track - but hopefully you get my drift). It also sounds like you guys are also saying think about what inspires you at the moment - which could be even downtempo rock (like the doors or pink flyod) if it fits the mood. |
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andrew interchill
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Posted : May 14, 2007 23:50
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nothing wrong with olelo - just that it, like earthgarden, has a beat that many people turn to when they're looking to beatmatch
great tune - heard it so many times though
if you are talking about flow then i would suggest there are times when the flow can be hindered by trying to match a beat instead of following the key or some other motif or theme...
and the example you give is a good one of what not to do
it really does depend upon the people, the space, the mood... the succession of moments
i would say that generally speaking it is best not to plan sets but just to listen in depth and remain open and flexible...
some of the people who beatmatch exclusively also come to their sets with a rigid idea of what they intend to do - because they know what tracks they need to mix together in order to pull off the mixes they practised before...
i've done that loads and very often that stunning mix you nailed at home is hard to repeat in the moment
usually when i dj i forget what just happened... works for me
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maux
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Posted : May 17, 2007 14:15
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...what is the number for the DJ police ?
beatmatch make sense to me only if there is some dance action...and not even all the time...so personally I am doing it if I am spinning some breakz...but I am not bothered if I am playing chill...the flow and the tunes in the second case are more important than the TEMPO.
and I would say...not just because two tracks are perfectly beatmatched that is a good mix...most of the times is only a show off of technic from the dj ego that is overpowering the music he is playing...it is not that difficult anyway to do so there is not much to be proud of...and there is marvel software around that can beatmatch almost anything from any tempo..
do you know 2 Many Djs ?
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Aida Noridania
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Posted : May 17, 2007 21:22
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point with chill is that it is so varied that you can't use generic rules when you play it
some songs and tunings allow beatmatch, others are more interesting in melodymatching
i go with it this way when i listen to sets: in chill outs i prefer to hear something flowing and in tune rather then something beatmatched and out of tune that you run away...
imho chill out is very sensitive for that and it's up to the DJ to decide how he will do it to get it all blended together...
(and be assured mixing a good chillset is not a piece of cake but well any good set is not a piece of cake in the end
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maux
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Posted : May 18, 2007 02:28
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but i have to say...the few ones who manage to do a good beat matched chill set are real masters ...
(but remember to respect also the key of the tunes...very important in music that has a melodic content and not just a rhythmic one like dance)...
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Posted : May 18, 2007 16:48
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : May 18, 2007 18:32
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Many times I beatmatched my chilled sets practising at home, and many times I had the feeling I was ruining everything with the mixes.
It took me a while 'til I got it right, and even like this many times I just don't do it because of the intros and outros...it depends on the track really.
But...with a set of average psy-chill tunes at 100 bpm I rather beatmatch it.
So it depends of what you actually play.
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droozi
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Posted : May 18, 2007 20:09
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@JUstin - Agreed - that 95 -100 BPM range is extremely conducive to beat matching. I also agree on judgiing the crowd - if they are dancing - they it may make sense to beat match, but if they are all just chillin out and swaying then beat matching may not be important. |
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