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Lacks "U" also in the rest of the world?

Aurum


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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 18:27
Hello Tranciants, i'd like to ask you ppl something that really makes me think a lot .
Plz try to give me an answer!
Here in Brazil, mostly in Sao Paulo (the biggest city and also the biggest "psyscene"), we don't find unity from trance ppl, mainly from DJs and party producers! I mean, when someone else start to follow up closely what is going on at parties' lineup, he will notice that this group of DJs play only at this group of party and an other group of DJs play only at this other group of party, you know just like two different "gangs" (damn, this is so stupid!) fighting for the same cause: psychedelic trance! It makes me very once i think if they all worked togheter the whole stuff would be much better!
So we might even have peace, love...may be even some respect, but unity is something that i can clearly see doesn't exist 'round here!
Does it happen anywhere else in the world? Is there an answer for this situation? Is it capitalism and commercial interests bluring the whole ideal?
hope to get someday...

Aurum.           www.psybrasil.com
Olli
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 19:29
i guess the organizers in your place r in the buisness 4 the wrong reasons. (offcourse i don't know about the local quarrel and politics between israely organizers).


[ This Message was edited by: Olli on 2002-06-13 19:31 ]          The Only True Freedom is Freedom From the Heart Desire
Zombi
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 19:30
try to read classic social article from Zimel "Economic of Money".           Believe your soul !
Olli
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 20:24
or maybe it's just a buisness and nothing more           The Only True Freedom is Freedom From the Heart Desire
DETOX
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 21:09
Same shit happens here in Greece.
The party teams are at a war.
Thats why the scene and the parties are awfull here.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Aurum


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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 21:11
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On 2002-06-13 19:30, Zombi Cocktail wrote:
try to read classic social article from Zimel "Economic of Money".




Cou ld you tell what you mean Zombi Cocktail? For sure i won't read it, got lots of things to do before it...anyway the question here is: what is the meaning of producing a psy party? Here is basicaly profit meaning.
And thats what i'm sorry about.           www.psybrasil.com
Aurum


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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 21:14
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On 2002-06-13 21:09, DETOX wrote:
Same shit happens here in Greece.
The party teams are at a war.
Thats why the scene and the parties are awfull here.



That's it Detox! Thats what is going on here too! WAR!           www.psybrasil.com
Gumbo
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 21:17
Hmm... thats the first time i hear about war between trance ppl..
even the shimons doesnt fight anymore... or i'm wrong?
DETOX
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 21:22
Yes Aurum and the bad thing is that those who loose its US the trancers.
They just look at people like 20 dollar bills.
Here in Greece the party prices are outrageous,before the EURO the prices were something like 15 dollars which was 6000 drachmas and now just after the EURO entered our life the price exploded to 25 dollars which is 10000 drachmas.
Sometimes the artists wont come,most of the times they promise a live pa but what we get is a dj set,the sound is usually awfull,no decoration offcourse,not good security at the party places and they dont even sell water after 4 o clock because they are trying to get even more money from drink sales which offcourse cost much more than water.
The bad thing is that usually the party organisers are not people that know whats going on in the trance scene,at leats thats what happens here in Greece,the biggest organiser here hasnt got a clue about trance music and i can verify that to anyone.
Anyway the fact is that they are taking advantage of the scene in order to make money and nothing more than that,they dont give a shit if people had a good time but i guess one day people are going to wake up and punish those organisers by just ignoring them.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Kaz
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 21:27
I'll be a little uneducational here. Well, feed them acid and make them dance. A party organizer that doesn't know what it is to be one of the people on the dancefloor shouldn't be organizing outdoor parties. You either know what it's all about and act accordingly, or you ruin it for everyone else with $$ as your goal.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
Olli
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 21:44
now,now Kas there r more educational ways other then feeding them with acid, how about letting them smoke the old fashion native american "peace pipe"           The Only True Freedom is Freedom From the Heart Desire
Gumbo
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 21:48
thats a sad story Detox... and i was planing a trip to Greece on july for all the fastivals that gonna take place there.. .. what r u suggesting?
Aurum


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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 22:19
Well, Detox here very similar things happens, for a while i thought you didn't know if you were in Greece or in Brazil eheh. But we don't have ANYMORE (cause definitly we used to have it before) problems with security and decor, for example. What we have is a fucking stupid segregation that goes totally against trance beings! The only explanation for that could be some kinda prejudice to each other....but why does it happen?? Is it underground x mainstream ??? Because here trance is now "cool" "hype" and etc.

To Kaz and Olli i would say there's nothing to do with acid or smoke, cause drugs are on both sides for sure, but...well, i really don't have an answer. And i'd like to know how it goes in the rest of the world.
10x folks!
          www.psybrasil.com
DETOX
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Posted : Jun 14, 2002 01:44
Gumbo festivals are tottally different from club parties.
Judging from people's comments on last years Sola Luna then i would for certainly suggest you to visit some of the Greek festivals.
I hope you will have a good time           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Olli
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jun 14, 2002 01:53
well, u started talking about one thing (organizers fighting with each other), and u've ended with the crowd segergation.
about the segergation, i think it undermines the profound roots of trance which r based on unity,respect and excepting everyone.

what happens is that in reality we do not act "under the trance spirit " in our everyday behavior 'cause of million and half different reasons (education from our parents 4 example). we do not spend our entire life in one big party (wish we had ), so what's happening is that we bring some of our everyday behavior (bad??) with us 2 the party.

in society we do live in hierachy, there r the rich and the poor, the educated and the not educated, black and white and many other factor that divide us (doesn't metter 4 this conversation if it's wrong or right).
we as human cannot make that easliy the switch between everyday and party in all espects of our personality.

the fact is that we like 2 relate our selfs 2 people who r like us.
it's the same situation here in israel and probably all over the world. evry time u read a thread in this forum with the words "shimonim or arsim" it's segergation.

btw i think that the "peace pipe" does and will work



[ This Message was edited by: Olli on 2002-06-14 02:06 ]          The Only True Freedom is Freedom From the Heart Desire
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