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it's all compilations

logic mind
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 00:14
i think u right dawn, but maybe it will be much easier for psyshop to open an artists albums section, that will be a very small section.
          like a dream,
with no end and no begining,
living the now hoping for better tomorow...
Cardinals Cartel
Black Machine

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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 02:01

good question ! . I think labels want make cd's more interesting and curiouse and this is why . I have now 13 ready (For labels and on a high quality) tracks (And more 10 that i finisht before i had my prophetional studio) . So .. With All This 13 i can make a album (And they Are Dark and Great .. Belive me ) But .. I Think i want them (or some) in a compliation with other artists init .
HandA
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 13:13
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On 2005-07-03 02:01, Cardinals Carttel wrote:

good question ! . I think labels want make cd's more interesting and curiouse and this is why . I have now 13 ready (For labels and on a high quality) tracks (And more 10 that i finisht before i had my prophetional studio) . So .. With All This 13 i can make a album (And they Are Dark and Great .. Belive me ) But .. I Think i want them (or some) in a compliation with other artists init .




That does not make any sense at all.Why dont you want to have an artists CD released? Is it because you wont make as much money as if you spread out those tracks on different Compilations?
To me as an artists the ultimate is an artist CD. It's like writing a book. A very personal journey. And the joy of the end result and the release is to me worth a million times more than some random tracks spread on various compilations.

I simply dont understand why artists dont want to have their own artist CD released.

Last. To say that labels want more interesting releases and thefore release compilations can only be your own opinion. The most interesting releases I have listened to were artistsCD's and not as in many cases badly compiled compilations with Hit & Run tracks. And trust me. Many labels do agree with me.
Cardinals Cartel
Black Machine

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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 13:46
I dont care about the money . I just want to be a part of all . I can releast them all tommorow . I truly think all is look much diferent (And even for you .. When you hear your own tracks that playing with other 8 that coming from artists from all over the world with other culture and all ..) .
HandA
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Posted : Jul 3, 2005 13:53
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On 2005-07-03 13:46, Cardinals Carttel wrote:
I truly think all is look much diferent (And even for you .. When you hear your own tracks that playing with other 8 that coming from artists from all over the world with other culture and all ..) .



Not really. Dont misunderstand me. It's ok to be on compilations but to me an artists CD (I call it an Album) is way more satisfying. When I work on my Albums I use a lot of time to make a story between my tracks and I put all my soul and heart into making it a journey and a piece of art.

Surely there can be journeys on Compilations and it can also be art but sadly I have to say that most of the time it's just random picked tracks that some label guy or DJ picked up to fill the next release with "hits". There's rarely a red thread between the tracks and in my opinion many many compiltaions are not worth the plastic they are printed on because they are as I said. Random picked tracks with no direction or a red thread between the tracks. There's no story.

I'll any day go for a artist Album. It's so much more personal than some random tracks on a compilation.
clown
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Posted : Jul 4, 2005 21:25
compilations are great to promote new talent alongside some well know talent.. you cant just release an Album of some no-name artist and expect people to buy it.. you must first release a compilation with "headliners" and "no-name" so the people can first get an idea of what that new artist sounds like..

at least, that's the way i see it..           "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 4, 2005 23:45
compilations are only good if the dont flood the market and over run artists albums.
Kitnam
Mantik

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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 01:53
no worries.
i just came back from a big festival festival in germany with some well known international djs and acts. the interesting point: the live-acts made the best sound, because of the individual touch. the djs, spinned very nice too, but their trax sounded realy the same. i think the crowd demands more individuality soon. this means more albums, less "top-notch"-compilations which sound perfect and top-produced, but with no character.
the market is allready overloaded, only the artists and labels which have differentiated individual styles will stay alive. in a few years there will be not much anymore, but with a high own integrity. albums will get a push in a time where such values start to be important again.

you will see.




snowflake


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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 12:46
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On 2005-07-03 13:53, HandA wrote:
I'll any day go for a artist Album. It's so much more personal than some random tracks on a compilation.



There is nothing random about a high quality compilation!
it's just 2 different ways of telling the story...           Out Here We're Stoned....
HandA
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 13:24
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In psy albums are shite usually and compilations are just best chosen tracks.



thats a very very generalising opinion and not at all my experience... on the contrary i feel that many compilations (not all) are released without any thought behind them and flooded with "hit & run" tracks whereas the most meorable releases over time are artist albums.
Kitnam
Mantik

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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 15:01

On 2005-07-05 13:24, HandA wrote:
Quote:

[...]on the contrary i feel that many compilations (not all) are released without any thought behind them and flooded with "hit & run" tracks [...]



well said. its often just the repetition of "on vogue" - compilations, labels want to sell some copys while formula-xy is selling good. there is no more interesting in pushing interesting psy-groups or talents, or planning in a strategic-longterm way of rising a new standart with an individual touch. no, the tactic is just: there is a trend? ok, put together a compilation which sound like this. the effect is that something like albums are too individual and not close to the "on vogue"-sound with all trax and you cant collect them out. on a compi: you can.
so the art of an whole album-experience itself is not the main-target anymore, the sells are important. and this is the oldest and most hidden mistake a branch which sells art can do: looking for sales, not for art.
the effect is just called popmusic.
repetive music which is trying to sell many copies and sells very good but the music itself is just lame crap.

i will realy enjoy the point where this naiv structure will collapse and looking forward to listen to the few labels and artists who will stay alive.

electroporn


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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 15:03
[quote]
On 2005-07-05 13:14, nolightatend wrote:
Well my opinion is, compilations and albums have same amount of good and bad music usually.

I think the same !
i also think that compilation is a good way to find new upcoming names !
and its a good start ! an Album is a much more work ....and an artiest must b mature and ready in order to realese one.

The compilation case is something uniqe to our scene .....!!!

think of a compilation of :
1. Maddona
2. u2
3. michel jakson
4. coldplay
5. robin williams
...etc

is it make sense ?

as long as the music is good it's ok
but i dont let madonna to get into my comp unless she will come up with a f' good track
cause dido is on your back !!!!!
Pavel
Troll

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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 16:41
Quote:

On 2005-07-03 13:13, HandA wrote:
Quote:

On 2005-07-03 02:01, Cardinals Carttel wrote:

good question ! . I think labels want make cd's more interesting and curiouse and this is why . I have now 13 ready (For labels and on a high quality) tracks (And more 10 that i finisht before i had my prophetional studio) . So .. With All This 13 i can make a album (And they Are Dark and Great .. Belive me ) But .. I Think i want them (or some) in a compliation with other artists init .




That does not make any sense at all.Why dont you want to have an artists CD released? Is it because you wont make as much money as if you spread out those tracks on different Compilations?
To me as an artists the ultimate is an artist CD. It's like writing a book. A very personal journey. And the joy of the end result and the release is to me worth a million times more than some random tracks spread on various compilations.

I simply dont understand why artists dont want to have their own artist CD released.

Last. To say that labels want more interesting releases and thefore release compilations can only be your own opinion. The most interesting releases I have listened to were artistsCD's and not as in many cases badly compiled compilations with Hit & Run tracks. And trust me. Many labels do agree with me.



Xactly. I given up on Psy compilations long time ago. Although recently some artist albums sound like a compilation as well. No smooth transition from track to track. No special notes in the booklet. Business as usual. The factory continues to work.           Everyone in the world is doing something without me
Cardinals Cartel
Black Machine

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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 17:07
On 2005-07-03 13:53, HandA wrote:

On 2005-07-03 13:46, Cardinals Carttel wrote:
I truly think all is look much diferent (And even for you .. When you hear your own tracks that playing with other 8 that coming from artists from all over the world with other culture and all ..) .
[/quote]


Not really. Dont misunderstand me. It's ok to be on compilations but to me an artists CD (I call it an Album) is way more satisfying. When I work on my Albums I use a lot of time to make a story between my tracks and I put all my soul and heart into making it a journey and a piece of art.

Surely there can be journeys on Compilations and it can also be art but sadly I have to say that most of the time it's just random picked tracks that some label guy or DJ picked up to fill the next release with "hits". There's rarely a red thread between the tracks and in my opinion many many compiltaions are not worth the plastic they are printed on because they are as I said. Random picked tracks with no direction or a red thread between the tracks. There's no story.

I'll any day go for a artist Album. It's so much more personal than some random tracks on a compilation.
[/quote]


Mr . Handa .. Is Seems you allways know what other peoples think . what you mean "NOT REALY" ? , Im writing here what i think and you saying not realy ?
what is realy for u ? your reality only?
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