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israely full on - sounds the same alltogether.

Ov3rdos3


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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 18:11
profane:

right, firstly i assume you are debating this because you are a fan of full-on israeli psytrance.

this is my point. israeli psychedelic trance is common, boring and oh so predictable. every single album that comes out is the same "KILLLAAAARR, dancefloor nuclear warefare, boooom shiva!!! rubbish. because it is all the same. it all follows a similar pattern copied by another. there is absolutely no "soul", no feeling, (except repetative pounding basslines, and if thats your idea of "powerful" music, you know little or nothing about real psychedelic music). heres a challenge. list me some brilliant and original isreali psychedelic trance groups and i will honestly tell you if it is good or not.

i will even go as far to say, as it has ruined the psychedelic trance scene. because what appeals to the masses, isnt neccesarily good. 2000 15 year olds screaming KILLLAAARR!!! jumping up and down with their skazi t-shirts and glowsticks doesnt mean that its good. unfortunately, there are few of us left these days that can appreciate what it was really about. it was spiritual. it was about harmony and the psychedelic experience. now its about fastest BPM, most killar tracks, cyberdog clothing, and braindead beats that i could create on my nord lead in 15 seconds flat. it is shocking. and it is not psychedelic. it isnt even really trance. so do yourself a favour and accept it because its true. yes my words may be harsh, but can you fault them?
Timelock
Timelock

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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 18:25
hi Ov3rdos3 !

times changing! stiles and concepts of what belongs to trance music are changing! you cant do nothing with that!

and i segest you to to make this leads on your nord in 15 min, and release it in a good lable first, lets see you doing that.... and then i whant to hear what you will say about your post!!

and dont forget..
music its about taste!

there will always be a original artists and the clones! like in every thing in this world! not israeli trance only man!

so come on.. save it!

cheers

FELIX / TIME LOCK
Ov3rdos3


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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 18:35
Quote:

On 2005-04-15 18:25, Timelock wrote:
hi Ov3rdos3 !

times changing! stiles and concepts of what belongs to trance music are changing! you cant do nothing with that!

and i segest you to to make this leads on your nord in 15 min, and release it in a good lable first, lets see you doing that.... and then i whant to hear what you will say about your post!!

and dont forget..
music its about taste!

there will always be a original artists and the clones! like in every thing in this world! not israeli trance only man!

so come on.. save it!

cheers

FELIX / TIME LOCK




not neccessarily true man. there is a LOT of original, interesting trance music out there. also, and dare i say it, there is good full on out there too, good original brilliantly produced stuff. unfortuantely, israel is home to most of the clones out there. now dont get me wrong. there was a lot of excellent stuff to come out of israel. and this is why im pissed off. why throw away all the originality for what is trendy and sells the most?

and i dont want to save it. i like debating.
its healthy.

this is my point. i dont mind full on music, but its not psychedelic trance to me. and the minute it starts invading my space at parties and events and brings with it, non-enlightened kids just there to get fcuked off there faces and wave their glowsticks in my face, you sort of wonder.....geez...what happened?????

or maybe im just getting old.

peace.
OD
pr0fane
Moderator

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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 18:37
Quote:

On 2005-04-15 18:11, Ov3rdos3 wrote:
profane:

right, firstly i assume you are debating this because you are a fan of full-on israeli psytrance.

this is my point. israeli psychedelic trance is common, boring and oh so predictable. every single album that comes out is the same "KILLLAAAARR, dancefloor nuclear warefare, boooom shiva!!! rubbish. because it is all the same. it all follows a similar pattern copied by another. there is absolutely no "soul", no feeling, (except repetative pounding basslines, and if thats your idea of "powerful" music, you know little or nothing about real psychedelic music). heres a challenge. list me some brilliant and original isreali psychedelic trance groups and i will honestly tell you if it is good or not.

i will even go as far to say, as it has ruined the psychedelic trance scene. because what appeals to the masses, isnt neccesarily good. 2000 15 year olds screaming KILLLAAARR!!! jumping up and down with their skazi t-shirts and glowsticks doesnt mean that its good. unfortunately, there are few of us left these days that can appreciate what it was really about. it was spiritual. it was about harmony and the psychedelic experience. now its about fastest BPM, most killar tracks, cyberdog clothing, and braindead beats that i could create on my nord lead in 15 seconds flat. it is shocking. and it is not psychedelic. it isnt even really trance. so do yourself a favour and accept it because its true. yes my words may be harsh, but can you fault them?



I am 22 years, I have never ever touched a glowstick or cyberdog clothing, I don’t like Skazi and I am by no means a big fan of Israeli full on – actually my favourite style by far the last few years has been progressive psy trance (I suggest you read my reply on page 2), so I guess I don’t really fit into the "KILLAH" stereotype. My problem with some of your posts though, is that you’re expressing it like your taste is the only "good taste", and to me your way of expressing it seems very disrespectful.

Anyways, I’m sorry that I contributed in turning this very personal and off topic, so let’s end it here. If you want to reply to my post, I suggest that you write me a private message instead of in this thread, so we can spare the other users           DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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Sirius Taurus


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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 18:42
Well I guess That all depends on who is playing !and I guess that the Vibe of the crowd will also dictate that in some small way Too.And you Have to have the right Act in the middle of the night and the right act in the moring and those are 2 completly different sounds.But most importantly it is the SELF CONTROL and Disciplin OF TEH DJ or ACT to play music fitting to His or HER Time Slot and if you break out of that to do it in such a way wher the KARHANA wants that .Off the Hook Sound
Lithium
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 18:47
with all the respect i´m getting fed up with this moderators attitude. i don´t see anyone disrespecting anyone here, so why continue in private. is this a forum where people can only agree with each other?
i think important issues are being discussed here, and i haven´t seen anyone disrespecting or using abusive language to anyone, so why can´t 2 people have diferent ideias and express them here? why in private p.m?

again with all the respect to you guys moderators, i know your job is hard, but leave this forum as a free opinion forum , not as a just agree with me forum
Sirius Taurus


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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 18:49
And Besides you can only listen to a song so many times before it becomes boering and repetitive.Hence be it with making Any Kind of Music .You Can only do a thing so many different ways BEFORE SOON you RUN out of WAYS TO DO IT.And then that things too becomes boering and repetitive ,There Fore brings about Progression. I have a hard time in my studio with this every day now.I am becoming Boerd with the Sound after say 200 times hearing a track before it is Finished.
Ov3rdos3


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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 19:01
profane:

i have been expressing my personal opinion. i have in no way been disrespectful and in anyway if i have said something negative i have been able to back it up.

i thought that what these forums were for. to debate personal opinions about things. perhaps you just dont like me for my directness, which i cannot unfortunately apologise for because thats how i am.

so this is my theory.

either proove what i have (respectfully) mentioned as being wrong or incorrect. or ban me if you want because you cant.

i have done nothing but speak my mind, perhaps harshly, but never disrespectfully or crudely. i am too eductated for that.

Mat N
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 19:24
Quote:

On 2005-04-15 13:37, Ov3rdos3 wrote:
im sorry to say, but israeli full on is the worst kind of trance out there. its ALL THE SAME!!!!! even south african full on is way more original and creative. i swear every Isreali full on artist gets together, copies all there sound samples and basslines from each other, swap the sounds around a bit, and release it as a tune. in my opinion UK psy is the best at the moment, with acts like Hallucinogen, Shpongle and south african acts like protoculture, and other european acts like Silicon Sound and CPU. i cant think of a single isreali full on act that i like.



all of your favorite artists such as CPU, Silicon Sound, etc surely have listened to Psysex, Cosma and other israeli originals, before they even started creating music.
i agree with u about the unoriginality of artists, but i must tell ya: it's not an israeli problem, it's all around the world!
try listenning to Aquatica, Pixel, Misted Muppet...
deebug

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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 19:42
Ov3rdos3: you are my man.

it seems that every discussion in this forum functions the same way. the arguments are always identical. espeacially, that we are individuals with individual tastes. i think, that this isnt new to us.
i would say, that this is a thread for ppl, who are pissed about fullon, not for ppl who are the personalized moral to tell us whats good and whats not..
Tiny Giant
TriOptimum

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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 21:22
Quote:

On 2005-04-15 19:42, deebug wrote:
Ov3rdos3: you are my man.

it seems that every discussion in this forum functions the same way. the arguments are always identical. espeacially, that we are individuals with individual tastes. i think, that this isnt new to us.
i would say, that this is a thread for ppl, who are pissed about fullon, not for ppl who are the personalized moral to tell us whats good and whats not..




Hello Deebugers!!!!

wise words you say!

i think most users here are the prisoners of their own brains in matter of music taste!

greetz to ya

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IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 22:10


this is my point. i dont mind full on music, but its not psychedelic trance to me. and the minute it starts invading my space at parties and events and brings with it, non-enlightened kids just there to get fcuked off there faces and wave their glowsticks in my face, you sort of wonder.....geez...what happened?????

or maybe im just getting old.

peace.
OD

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darkiller
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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 22:14
it's all gelousy
psy^soldier
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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 22:32
the best thing to do is to seperate the fullon espessliy the israely one form psytrance i do it and i dont get frustrated about it i go to parties without fullon atleast not alot of it you cant really run away from it i guess ,Ov3rdos3 maby stop going to fullon parties and you will stop being so fustrated i did it and it works for me:]
Ov3rdos3


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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 13:41
ive been going to trance parties since 98, sooo....6 and a half / 7 years?

also as mentioned above. i know that artists such as Silicon Sound and CPU obviously gained a lot of their atributes from listening to oldschool isreali artists such as Cosma, Psysex, etc. however, that was not my point.

There used to be LOADS of excellent isreali trance, in fact, they were probably the leaders in it for a very long time. and it was good. but unfortunantely due to the commercialisation of the scene. the intimacy and personality has faded and has lost its edgy appeal. THERE IS STILL GOOD MUSIC COMING OUT OF ISREAL. please dont think that i am having a go at israeli music, because im not. its just what happened to the originality? it all seems to have followed a trend. and following a trend goes exactly against what the whole scene / movement stands for. so in a way, its causing the scene to destroy itself.

of course this is just my personal humble opinion. you are welcome to debate to disagree with me, but i feel my observations have made the situation pretty blatent.




PSY SOLDIER: its hard to find parties that DONT play full on. believe it or not. those parties are great. and have a more dedicated following. more dreads. less threadz. but almost any organised psy event these days incorporate full on sets into the evening, hence bringing with it, the glowtstick gang.

glowstick gang: (noun): a group of children, aged between 15 and 19 that have just discovered their first "psytrance" party which in fact only plays full on music, so in fact their first psytrance party isnt psychedelic at all, even though they think so. so they believe they understand the scene, but they actually dont.

the are beleive to travel in herds. they wear expensive cyberdog clothing and beleive that if you dont, you are not psychedelic. they take lots of E, even though this isnt a psychedelic drug. they wave glowsticks in your face, which will eventually lead to the great PSYTRANCE WAR, where dreaded warriors will slaughter many glowstick gang members for waving their glowsticks in their faces and generally iritating them with their shallow patheticness. glowstick gang members say "killaaaaar" a lot and love skazi.

this war will separate the psychedelic people from the full on people.

the full on people will be happy because they have there constant 150bpm for 3 days straight festivals. and the psychedelic people will be happy because the full on people are gone.



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