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Is this an FM filter ?

Goa Travellers
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Posted : Dec 4, 2014 17:43
You rock. I love the sound...           -Goa Travellers

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PoM
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Posted : Dec 4, 2014 18:03
it s bazille who rocks ,diva,ace and cypher are great too.. cypher very udnerarreted cause of the gui and it s strange to program at first

mate i was thinking something that would be intresting..surely it have been done many time but i dont ear it in newer stuff i listen, ..but starting a tune with dark sound athmophsere/fx to confront people to their fears and slowly deliver them with sound that bring joy to end the tune in exctasy.. nice concept

sound like the one i made in the sample would be more for the end..
frisbeehead
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Posted : Dec 5, 2014 00:36
last link isn't working m8!

frisbeehead
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Posted : Dec 5, 2014 04:41
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On 2014-12-04 03:15, PoM wrote:
guys as it s goa sound thread, it s been age i havent used any synth choir , maybe you have some tips to make some? i never programed some have no clue what would be a good starting point... except using a vowell filter..but would like to make some wihtout this..and choir sound rules ! instant oldschool flavor



well, band pass filters is where it's at! Just make sure you set them up in parallel! you can manage to get a lot of vocal like sounds by carefully working with band pass filters and mellow timbres. if we're talking classic subtractive synthesis here, try pulse waves, set an lfo to modulate their width (pwm), then route these two waves to two different band pass filters and pan them in opposite directions. you can introduce some volume modulation as well, as human voice is not exactly as steady as a pulse is, right? make it soft and slow, just to add some movement to it. now this separation (which you want, 'cause a chorus is a lot of voices, or the illusion of it) can be further enhanced with common stereo effects. The most obvious one here is, of course, the chorus effect. You can also create some subtle movement in the panning of the filters which will then excite something like a stereo delay (filtered so it doesn't sound obnoxious) set to a fast rate, slightly different in each channel and none to very short feedback (we're not after wacky psychedelic bubbles this time god damn it, stick to the plan stick to the plan XD)...

then send this to a hopefully beautiful lush sounding reverb.

many many old school choirs were actually done like this. of course there's some roland stuff with the sampled choirs on them, some widely used and all, but...

nowadays you can also get away with unison of course or fake unison (like on sylenth and zebra) . spectral waves where available can be cool to...

EDIT

almost forgot, some key track on those filters
PoM
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Posted : Dec 5, 2014 15:45
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On 2014-12-05 00:36, frisbeehead wrote:
last link isn't working m8!





there was just a sync lead nothign really special, i cleaned my dropbox add so much audio file there deleted everyhting
PoM
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Posted : Dec 5, 2014 15:47
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On 2014-12-05 04:41, frisbeehead wrote:
Quote:

On 2014-12-04 03:15, PoM wrote:
guys as it s goa sound thread, it s been age i havent used any synth choir , maybe you have some tips to make some? i never programed some have no clue what would be a good starting point... except using a vowell filter..but would like to make some wihtout this..and choir sound rules ! instant oldschool flavor



well, band pass filters is where it's at! Just make sure you set them up in parallel! you can manage to get a lot of vocal like sounds by carefully working with band pass filters and mellow timbres. if we're talking classic subtractive synthesis here, try pulse waves, set an lfo to modulate their width (pwm), then route these two waves to two different band pass filters and pan them in opposite directions. you can introduce some volume modulation as well, as human voice is not exactly as steady as a pulse is, right? make it soft and slow, just to add some movement to it. now this separation (which you want, 'cause a chorus is a lot of voices, or the illusion of it) can be further enhanced with common stereo effects. The most obvious one here is, of course, the chorus effect. You can also create some subtle movement in the panning of the filters which will then excite something like a stereo delay (filtered so it doesn't sound obnoxious) set to a fast rate, slightly different in each channel and none to very short feedback (we're not after wacky psychedelic bubbles this time god damn it, stick to the plan stick to the plan XD)...

then send this to a hopefully beautiful lush sounding reverb.

many many old school choirs were actually done like this. of course there's some roland stuff with the sampled choirs on them, some widely used and all, but...

nowadays you can also get away with unison of course or fake unison (like on sylenth and zebra) . spectral waves where available can be cool to...

EDIT

almost forgot, some key track on those filters



thanks gonna try all this
frisbeehead
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Posted : Dec 5, 2014 16:35
Quote:

On 2014-12-05 15:45, PoM wrote:
Quote:

On 2014-12-05 00:36, frisbeehead wrote:
last link isn't working m8!





there was just a sync lead nothign really special, i cleaned my dropbox add so much audio file there deleted everyhting



happens to all of us... I've noticed that every single producer I know (and I know some) have their cloud services filled with sound files with the most incredible names on them XD
PoM
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Posted : Dec 5, 2014 17:23
about he topic i m about to figure out some killer goa leads i heard from the xs but never been abble to reproduce them , and i think i just find the trick ... basically you do a syncro leads with a triangle lfo modulating the pitch of the synced osc(try 1 bar syncro to start with but you can go slowler ,faster depending how you want the sweep) ,you can try to pitch this osc at + 12/+15 semitone or whatever it sound good then you add a envelop modulation the pitch on top of the lfo modulation , ot get a more plucky/acid sound , till their nothign special.. but the trick is to add very little fm modulation from a other oscillator on top and the amount of the fm should be controled by this same envelop that modulate the synced osc and then installeny it will sound dope , it s the magic touch to these leads to make these sound psych

it remind me i have to experiment more with fm controled by envelops , i rarly go for it but there is some great sound to make
PoM
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Posted : Dec 5, 2014 19:37
in fact no it don t nail what i was after.. i recorded a loop of the sound i describe above, if you guys have some tips for all that sort of sound..
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5107801/Audio%208-2.wav
every 2 bar you ear how the sound is modulated, i really like this..have to try different timings for the lfo and to make it only positive so it s stay like this..

that eefect that is a bit similar to Sample and hold with noise on resonant filters fx, i love that kind of stuff, but when it s not random..
frisbeehead
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Posted : Dec 5, 2014 23:23
Don't know if this is the kind of thing you're going for, but just made this one:

https://meocloud.pt/link/f6541efc-73aa-4da2-8c67-efa62ee7b52d/lead.wav/

beautiful lead you have there btw... also dig that kind of sound a lot.

if I got what you're saying in there, I think you're implying that you like how it sounds more on some passages then others. if that's the case, then you need to find those sweet spots and modulate in between them, it's a question of just setting the ranges right - from sweet spot to sweet spot and there you go. but it seems like you're creating some very cool sounds as you go, so make sure you use them
Goa Travellers
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Posted : Dec 20, 2014 20:17
Yes, it is oscillator sync, here's a short melody I made in Largo: https://soundcloud.com/nataraja-3/osc-sync-arpeggio-in-waldorf-largo-with-cubase



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knocz
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Posted : Dec 26, 2014 15:24
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On 2014-12-20 20:17, Goa Travellers wrote:
Yes, it is oscillator sync, here's a short melody I made in Largo: https://soundcloud.com/nataraja-3/osc-sync-arpeggio-in-waldorf-largo-with-cubase


Yeah mate! Slip a beat under that and take it to the dance floor -> you'll find me right in the middle dancing my arse off           Super Banana Sauce http://www.soundcloud.com/knocz
frisbeehead
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Posted : Jan 5, 2015 01:49
@POM

hey, just got bazille - previously just had the beta version that expired some time ago. intrigued here: are you using the fractal resonance thing for those patches you posted? for the hard sync type of sounds or is there another way 'round it? cheers
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