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Is the goa-spirit real or drugbased?

___Sqwob
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 10:33:53
I've been asking myself the following question lately, and wonder what your opinion on this is:

Is the goa-experience real ?

I've been going to goa parties in belgium for about 4 years now, the first year i stayed reasonably sober. By now i've tried most drugs that are available in western europe (except the really really nasty ones). Seeing a large group of people around me following roughly the same path, i started wondering if it's real or drug-based?

The scene in belgium is small (specially 4 years ago - 300people at a party was a big show-up) and i know most of the people that go there, some of them have become really close friends and i can't imagine not knowing them. But when i think about what brought us together I sometimes doubt if it's the search for the openness, tolerance, friendly atmosphere, ... , (insert all of the things goa parties mean to you that you don't get out of other parties, and the things goa-people mean to you, that you don't get out of an ordenary party-crowd) OR the search for a place where drugusage is accepted as a part of the party-ritual, with some very nice extra's (fluo deco, fruit in the morning, low prices -in belgium that used to be, but isn't no longer-)

I think you should get my drift by when you've read this short intro. tell me your points of view, and please convince me it is more than the drugs.

because watching another group of 16 year old fresh kids sniffing some ***** at a party isn't encouraging.
___HuJaBoY
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 10:42:56
Its a tricky question!
If you had seen 16 y.o kids sniffing in a rock concert, would you think its the rock n roll  spirit?
___zahimi
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 11:00:57
well.
drugs are part of our lifes...
not related to any kind of music.
ppl like music.
some ppl like drugs.
and some like to mix the two things.
i like trance.
the only thing i hear is trance.
and i only take drugs when i go to a party every few months...
so for me the drugs is related to having more fun at a nature party.
not to the music.
but thats just me.
:)

but a good point is to say that E made me understand this music at start !
and thats a fact.
___kaz
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 11:01:54
The goa experience is very real. Personally, I've been to many parties without any drugs, especially in the goa "era". The drug usage exists in parties. BUT, the question is - what brought people to the party in the first place. It's like saying "no one would like house without extasy", "no one would like metal without alcohol", or whatever stereotype you like.

It's just NOT true.

The goa spirit (which is something I miss very much) is the music. "Trance" is exactly that, it gets you into a trance. The music is your guide for meditation. The spirit of the music is where that meditation takes you. Goa spirit is very real. You do not need drugs to enjoy it, or else who would be hearing it at home? The 60s are long gone :)

Sure it sucks seeing a 16 year old kid taken 3 Es, some cocaine and nearly fainting every time he takes some nitrox/poppers/ether (finish school before you do that guys :)). But then again, when you were 16, wasn't it appealing (even if you didn't do drugs)? Kids will be kids, drugs are a rebellion for them. Goatrance is freedom for the mind. Maybe they do fit well, but they don't depend on one another. My few cents.
___DCQ
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 12:09:10
its like the old women's adage about marriage- how do u know if he loves u? does he hug u after making love?

well, its the same with goa, psytrance, whatever

do u listen to this music when ur sober? or is ur passion in something else?
___Sqwob
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 12:26:20
I for one must say i listen to goa at any time, even try to take it with me when i'm going to places where i don't expect to hear it much.

The fullfillment I get out of organising goa parties and getting people together is hard to compare to anything else, this is what keeps me going. I work a 9 to 6 job in IT which isn't exactly a huge motivational factor at all times.

I hope most of you are right and it (that vibe that has been keeping me going the past year) is real.  

Some things you just have to ask yourself from time to time.

Now if you don't mind i'm going to push this thread into a little different direction ( answers to the first questions are still appreciated, just point out what you are confirming/denying)

[b]Could goa-vibe as I[/b] (this is a personal view, each one of you reviews this from their point of view, which should give some pretty discussable answers) [b]know it, have been created without drugs?[/b]
___zahimi
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 12:31:18
i think that psychedelic drugs are the base of the vibe.
its what got it started in goa.
imo.
___kaz
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 12:36:59
The goa vibe would have been created without drugs. It would just be a small and insignificant movement like so many other musical styles that never made it. Goatrance started at goa by some acid frenzied hippies and a few visionaries. Who knows what would have happened without the acid frenzied hippies :)

... and go on #goa now.
___P.I.N.
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 13:57:52
Wherever you go there are people using drugs right ??? Hidden, but there are ... The big diference is that on the trance scene there is liberty for everybody do whatever they want ! And Psychedelic are not bad, they are part of the nature of the human being, like the mushroom ...
___Chaka_Laka
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 14:56:28
well , drugs r only a tool 2 get 2 the VIBE , there are others ... but yes , the most popular tool 2 get the VIBE deliberatly  .. i guess that goa-vibe has drugs in its base but the VIBE is much older and its beginning is in us being integral part of a nature  
8)
___zahimi
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 15:03:43
[quote]And Psychedelic are not bad, they are part of the nature of the human being, like the mushroom ... [/quote]
dude. no one said it is bad.
imo, it is very good if you know how to control its influence on your mind.
it can be a powerfull tool for your evolution.
in the other hand, if you dont know how to control it, you can go insane.

[quote]guess that goa-vibe has drugs in its base but the VIBE is much older and its beginning is in us being integral part of a nature  
8)[/quote]
agreed.
but we are talking about the GOA vibe here.

:)
___kaz
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 16:23:45
We should have a "threads that end up talking about drugs section" in the new forum, this happens too much :)

... we were talking about the goa spirit, right? :)
___zahimi
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 17:32:19
come on asaf...
read the topic.
what u said is NOT the case here !
drugs IS the issue here...
:)
___starjoker
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 17:44:13
first of all i would ask - What is Goa spirit ??

u mean feeling that u get at morning at some party while everybody around u dance and enjoy themself and u feel that THIS moment is True moment ?? but true moment of what ?? for me Goa spirit is different kind of way to dance.. i mean beach/wood/desert + colorfull ppl + trance music = Goa spirit.

i started partying 6 years ago then i was 18. drugs brought me to my first party and music brought me to my last party..

i know for sure that i was exactly "16 year kid that shiff ...." but most of us were..

i wasnt at Goa but haved luck celebrate four international festivals.

for your question i have to answer  - goa spirit is real drug based.. i mean NO partys without drugs.. no Goa freaks that dont use/used.. (please dont start print "i wasnt...")

Goa spirit WAS real but here is lost.. forever..
partys no more place to make your mind open and better... is Clubbing out of city with down level ppl..

to ppl who think that psy drugs not bad or that is possible get control on this - BULLSHIT. my best friend gotta crazy (i mean hospital/doctors/shit) becoze this NOT bad drugs..

but no doubt we opened some new levels at human personality and maked revolution in traveling and forms of modern life.

___zahimi
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Posted : Feb 28, 2002 18:52:05
i agree with almost every word eli.
exept what u said about psy drugs.
there are ppl that CAN control the influence.
its all about YOU.
not the DRUG.
ppl who get fucked up from this can only blame themselves.
NOT the drug.
its all in your HEAD.
there are NO bad trips ("sratim rayim" in hebrew) in the drugs.
the bad trips are inside you.
if you cant control your mind, the bad trip can get control over you and you can easly lose your connection to reality.
and thats a fact.
:)
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