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Is the goa-spirit real or drugbased?
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___star_traveller
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Posted : Mar 3, 2002 04:07:06
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yea ... as someone said .. the first question to precisely ask here is .. wat is the goa spirit?
do u mean the kind of mood tht exists in psytrance events? or r u talking abt a way of life .. the condition of permanent goodness, as opposed to the other two conditions of lust and ignorance, according to the three states of human existence as proposed by hinduism.
IMO .. goa spirit refers to a state of permanent existence .. it is not just the music .. it goes beyond tht .. if u were to be at a party, and the music suddenly went off ... the goa spirit wld not suddenly die out ..
ppl around u wld still be smiling .. everyone wld be doing his own thing, but most imp., almost everyone at the gathering wld be having a good time .. and laughter is infectious .. 500 smiling ppl are a lot better than just 1 or 2 ..
I think wat u`r talking abt is this mood .. and tht mood comes from a certain ideology .. there is a reason a lot of us love the music we love .. its not only because it sounds good .. but also because it represents a certain state of being .. where ppl realise tht life is not just money n status n being conscious of a social image or watever ..
it goes far, far beyond tht .. to be able to live moments of pure happiness, to be able to feel complete, and love the fact of ur existence .. thts the kind of feel the goa parties create for me .. and for a lot others too .. with or without the drugs ..
so the goa spirit does exist.
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___Sqwob
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Posted : Mar 4, 2002 11:34:45
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I wish they would hand out large chunks of goa-vibe at some parties from time to time.
being at a party in Essen (germany) with a live performance by Atmos and Electric Universe and some others, it was disturbing how the people inside the partyplace treated eachother. after about 3 minutes people started running into me, my friend was continuously asked if he was a salespoint of certain substances... etc...
a somewhat dark confrontation with my earlier question, a confrontation with a goa party that almost didn't have the -for me- most important element.
If it should come to this in belgium, I'll be one of the last people to party there.
-note: this only resembles one party in germany, i'm quite sure there are nice family-alike parties there to, i just haven't seen any- |
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___Sqwob
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Posted : Mar 12, 2002 16:04:14
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It's about a way of life indeed...
but the distance between that way of life and my perception of recent (belgian/german) goa parties seems to be getting bigger and bigger.
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___Russ
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Posted : Mar 14, 2002 05:58:42
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sqwob,
i have a proposition for you. the spirit you refer to is both very real AND it has its roots in psychedelic drugs. (it has nothing to do with the coke crowd though--never did in the past, and the amount of coke in the scene now is one reason why things are considerably uglier.)
it would be silly to claim that the spirit is there atomatically whenever a certain kind of music is played. life is much more complicated than that. the spirit that you refer was a fantastic combination of a large number of circumstances: political and emotional dissatisfaction to the current state of modern life, advances in music-making technology, a traveller-seeker ethos, new ideas about sound and its potential for psychological change, the rush of being outdoors with fellow-minded people joined by a common love for an art form in a ritualized context, and certainly not least, all of the above magnified by the extreme intensifying effects of psychedelic drugs. This last factor was the icing on the cake, the catalsyst that pushed everything up a notch. The spititual elements were there, but acid brings them into clearer focus. What I am trying to say is that is silly to say MUSIC=GOA SPIRIT, or that DRUGS=GOA SPIRIT. The truth is that an organic evolution of elements at one particular moment of time=GOA SPIRIT.
While that spirit seems to be gone in most countries, I know that the basic elements are still there under the surface here in Japan, it is just most organizers have a bit too much white powder up their noses and green bills in their wallets, so they lack the sensitivity to promote it. But it is still out there, as I found with one of my events last year, and there are places where it can be created again. It's just harder now, and you need faith and strength to fight for it.
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___Kaatisu
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Posted : Mar 15, 2002 08:32:03
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Very well put, Russ.
While I've never been to Goa, I do feel an amazing spirit at the open-air parties I've been to in Japan, as well as many of the indoor raves.
Among many others, it's a powerful feeling of escape from a highly restrictive society, of communal bonding through common creative expression, and, overall, of collective celebration.
This feeling may be achievable without drugs, but I know for sure it's achievable with drugs!
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the spirit that you refer was a fantastic combination of a large number of circumstances....
magnified by the extreme intensifying effects of psychedelic drugs....[/quote]
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An organic evolution of elements at one particular moment of time=GOA SPIRIT.[/quote]
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While that spirit seems to be gone in most countries, I know that the basic elements are still there under the surface here in Japan....
it is still out there, as I found with one of my events last year, and there are places where it can be created again.
It's just harder now, and you need faith and strength to fight for it.
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Can't wait for my first MindGames Goa-Spirit Experience, Russ. Keep the feeling pure and positive!
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___Xill
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Posted : Mar 15, 2002 14:28:18
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Drugs push our senses to the limits..It increases your hability to sense.Isn´t musik,and trance about senses??It´s related.
But GoaSirit is real,drugs are a complement.I´m listening to trance in this moment and i don't need to be high to enjoy it. |
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___Sqwob
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Posted : Mar 22, 2002 14:14:08
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I must say there are some people out there that have a rare point of view, one that I also discovered in a very special girl I went to the Natraj Temple (germany) with last weekend.
Russ: Thank you for your reply, It shares a lot with the way I try to look at things, it's people like you that keep the spirit alive (I'm quite sure there are a lot of other people on this message board that contribute in their own unique ways)
Fern: thanks for the most wonderfull weekend, you've shown me all things I was looking for, and so many things more. I'll see you again fridaymorning, I'll try not to be hungover :p
Love, Rik
[b]Everybody: If you lost your way to the goa spirit, you can be looking for a very long time, in so many places. The only place you'll find it though is within yourself, once you've done this you'll find it in everybody.[/b] |
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___Sqwob
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Posted : Mar 22, 2002 14:15:21
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thanks for listening. |
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___kaz
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Posted : Mar 22, 2002 14:33:48
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hehehehe, so you're saying goa spirit is drugbased for you now? ;) |
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___CoLoUrFuLmUsHrOoM
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Posted : Apr 6, 2002 20:28:45
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Hey x Rik x
Is the goa-experience real? This is an endless topic and I think I could go on forever..
The first thing I want to mention here is, u have to remember Rik, that there is such a diverse mentality amongst the ppl at party rituals. We are so individual and we all conceptualise the world, friendships, music, everything for that matter, in such different ways. It isn't until you find ppl who share the same reality or reality's very much like yours until things start really fitting into place. There is such a wide range extremities in the world. Thats why I choose to detach myself from society, what can I say, the system sucks.
A good site I would love u all to see is; www.liquidcrystalvision.com/3_onlinecinema.htm
I know it isn't encouraging seeing young teenagers sniffing ***** at a party, but they are young, naive (not all), and are still experimenting with drugs, they are at a young age.. but ppl are ready for different things at different times. I guess it's the process of growing up. Maybe we were all there once in our lifetime.
There's a lot who are going there for the drugs, but from the true party ppl they then find new ways of thinking and start to really enjoy and understand the music and the reason why we are there. In a few years, they too may see the ritual with our eyes. I can honestly say, I don't really need the drugs, I just like the experiences, the amasing moments I share with those I take them with, dropping in and out of reality, the visuals, its fun, enjoy it!.. and I feel the spirit every day, when interacting amongst ppl with colourful energies, when I'm alone, when I'm happy, when I'm sad, (when I have my fluffy towel) <*g*.
Everyone has their own spirit which you should share with others, show them your ways, your perceptions, so they can have a bigger and different insight on things. And listen to them too. Remember, we learn so much from each other. =)
"Through the Trance Dance Experience hopefully people will become more sensitive and aware of themselves, their surroundings, the crossroads of humanity, and the needs of the planet... With this Awareness comes Understanding and Compassion… THAT is the need of the hour, and the true Goa State of Mind !!!"
I too used to get down when I started asking myself the question whether it is real, but the answer is yes, it is real.. it just depends on the person. Those who you share the same mentality with, they are who are really important. The Connection and Wavelength is strong.
You know you can relate to ppl and it doesn't always have to involve words!! Does that proove something to you?!
Natraj Temple was such a beautiful moment, as was the weekend...
Thankyou Rik xXx
There is a difference between hearing and listening, touching and feeling. It depends how you percieve it, and by who you are.. My senses are always so alive, but drugs can really really highten your senses more, cause you are using such a larger proportion of your brain!
We are linked to symbolic meanings implicit in the organizational structure of the music..... it has an ultimate question, opening into virtual landscapes of the imagination that are intrinsically connected to the realm of the sacred..
Just enjoy it Rik, project your colourful energy to the colourful ppl and even the less colourful ppl and those who reciprocate are the special ppl.
Be happy =) You of all ppl deserve it =P
love to you =)
And BiG LoVe to you all x
Peace, Love, Unity and Respect.
Fern Celeste xxx
psychedelic hippy x muhahahahahaha
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___CoLoUrFuLmUsHrOoM
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Posted : Mar 24, 2002 21:32:35
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Russ, you have hit the nail on the head, very right =) Thankyou for that.. helps a lot x
Rik, inner sanctum is there, always x
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___Leedch
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Posted : Mar 24, 2002 17:13:04
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the goa spirit isn't drugbased, but a lot of drug users like goa music and the whole scene.
i like to go to a goa when i'm high ,
but i don't need it
for example i went to a party when i had little money
so i could afford the entrance but could affort the dope
so i danced all night
and i enjoyed myself a well
so the goa spirit does excist
but there are some fuckers who give the whole thing a bad name like the 16year old sniffers
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___CoLoUrFuLmUsHrOoM
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Posted : Apr 17, 2002 01:31:15
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I wouldn't go as far as to say that they are 'fuckers' Leedch (please don't take personally, It's just not my opinion).
I guess they are just aspiring still, but they could try'n sniff somewhere else. It alters the atmosphere/vibe when it's in your face!
but I do agree with you that they are starting to give goa scene a bad name and also changing the spirit.
Thats one of the main reasons why I want to travel. Visit where the spirit dwells, where the spirit may have initially derived from amongst human beings. Then again, the spirit actually dwells within you.
It also depends on how deep you want to go..
It has dawned on me that in many countries in europe, things are changing.. Amongst some of the crowd the spirit seems to be fading.
Just believe in it Rik and others, as long as there are still ppl like us then it survives.
I just wanna find a party with everyone on completely the same wavelength, whom are there for the spirit, and/or good atmosphere and genuinly love the music, help me!
Can somebody also save me from the drawing pins that I keep on stepping on, I've had severe unconsented acupuncture.. My feet hurt =(
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___CoLoUrFuLmUsHrOoM
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Posted : Apr 17, 2002 11:51:28
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It’s also probably all how you look at it…. Everyone seems to have a different motivation and concept according to their understanding. For some it can be a spiritual experience, for others they just want to have fun…. So I can only really speak for myself, from what I have read and experienced.
Since the beginning of time mankind has used music and dance to commune with the Spirit of Nature and the Spirit of the Universe….
Something to consider...
The Cosmic Spirit....
It is the seed of the universe and is beyond time and space..
It comes like a bolt of lightning and is planted in each and everyone of us at a goa ritual.
'Music fills the air and deep rhythms lock into an irresistable groove. Swept up in the beat, the dancers enter into profound altered states of consciousness, surrendering to the ecstasy of trance. Powerful energies move through their bodies as gateways to the spirit world open and they feel the awesome presence of the sacred.
Sound familiar? Many of us have had these kinds of life-changing, almost religious experiences on the dance floor at psychedelic trance parties.
While it may be a revelation for many who live in contemporary Western culture that the combination of music, rhythm, and trance dance can be a powerful source of religious experience, this phenomenon is actually so very old, and and has been found in almost every culture around the world throughout the ages. A secret life of trance has been hidden in the West, an ancient tradition of ecstasy that is our heritage, an underground stream of spirituality we can tap into when we enter into psychological entrainment on the dance floor.
It is no surprise that music and inner enlightenment/religion are so closely linked. Both are multi-dimensional phenomena that simultaneously integrate many different levels of reality. At the physiological level, for example, music creates a shift in the bodys various subsystems and heartbeat, breathing rate, muscular activity, brainwaves, nervous system, etc. When the music is strongly rhythmic or melodic, it tunes in the rhythms of all of these bodily systems and synchronizes them, especially if one is dancing to the rhythm. On top of this synchronization, certain musical techniques then amplify the physical effects to create peaks, particularly the combination of accelerating the tempo and increasing the volume and instrumental density. At the psychological level, this peak often translates into the induction of trance states in which the day-to-day functioning of the psyche is restructured: the ego and rational mind are bypassed, strong emotions and feelings are invoked, and powerful altered states of consciousness are accessed.
Hearing that music triggers an association with that party and the meaning that experience holds for us.
In other words, music establishes a link between this world and the spiritual world, and provides a vehicle for traveling between them. We see in many cultures, the use of music in a ritual context is often specifically designed to do this. In Indian traditions, for example, the musical notes are the physical manifestations of the Highest Reality termed Nada-Brahman. Music is not a mere accompaniment in religious worship; it is religious worship itself. This demonstrates the integration of the physical, psychological, socio-cultural, symbolic, virtual, ritual, and spiritual levels are all merged into a unified field. There is no separation between music and listeners and dancers, subject and object, mind and feelings and body, physical and spiritual worlds and beings; there is only a seamless multi-dimensional continuum of ecstatic musical experience. It is this extraordinary musical realm we touch into every time we hit that peak on the dance floor and all those dimensions and worlds and beings are present within the unified field of that experiential state.
Goa rituals can bring us into contact with this continuum and the experience can be profound, even transformative. Yet, what we are experiencing are baby steps compared to the sophisticated knowledge and techniques of this musico-religious terrain that has evolved over thousands of years. These traditions know the contours of the landscape intimately, the energies and entities that inhabit it, how to travel to precise coordinates and call specific beings and, perhaps most importantly, how to use the incredible powers that are generated for healing, counseling, divination, and the restoration of harmony....
There is a great deal these traditions can teach us that can make our gatherings more powerful and connected at a spiritual and ritual level. At the same time, we are also contributing something innovative and fresh to this ancient heritage of musical trance. The new kinds of sounds and complex compositions produced by our contemporary artists using electronic tools allows us to travel to new varieties of trancescapes. The added effects of immersive multimedia environments, not to mention more sophisicated understanding and use of psychedelic drugs adds up to a new chapter in the long history of trance experiences. The cut and paste hybridized nature of the musical and cultural production techniques reflects a sophisticated postmodern sensibility that can process the vast amounts of information of the contemporary world in a creative way.
There is the matter of where the foundations for an alternative global culture that transcends outmoded divisions of race, class, ethnicity, gender, and nationstate are being built on the dance floors of our parties. So, while we respect and celebrate our roots in the ancient heritage of trance music, we are also taking the tradition forward to the next level of manifestation in the new millennium'.
-Rythmn is life- A bit of a cliche, but so true
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___Leedch
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Posted : Apr 6, 2002 01:12:29
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i once talked to a straight-edge girl who went to a goa with me
and i asked her why she was straight edge
she told me because she didn't need it
i told her that that was fine by me
and asked her if she would mind if i lit up a joint.
she then told me she didn't because eveybody has his own opinion
and that's why she liked the goa spirit so much
;-)
and then i replied that it was true
you can be who you really are
if you like drugs you may do them
and nobody will give you a hard time for that
while if you at a sXe party lite up a joint people will dislike you for your opinion of drug-use and they will trow you out
while at a goa if somebody has a real ruff time handling his drugs ,often people who don't know the person help him .
because we are all the same ,nor if we like drugs ,are gay ,don't have dread-locks or talk lots of shit.
but some kids doing drugs that really pisses me off cause drugs have disasterous effects if they are used by persons which body hasn't reached it's full growth
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