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Is the Eastern solution right for the Western person?
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bbgun
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Posted : Feb 8, 2009 05:21
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The best of all worlds is the solution for all. |
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jabba
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Posted : Feb 10, 2009 12:12
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"Is the Eastern solution right for the Western person?"
if the defecation process is same then i guess why not ?
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moki
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Posted : Feb 10, 2009 14:04
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On 2009-01-02 23:29, shahar wrote:
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On 2009-01-02 17:46, Kaz wrote:
The main source of Western Philosophy is not Descartes but the Bible
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..The main source of what you call Western philosophy is Greek philosophy, the Greeks had nothing to do with the bible.
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Yes the main source of Western Philosophy is Aristotle. In old Greece there was an intellectual dispute between Aristotle and Heraklit and if Aristoteles would not have won the intellectual war, the whole Western civilization would not be what it is.
Aristotle stated that the laws of the universe can be derived from simple observation. Heraklit stated on the contrary that everything flows, the change is the universal principle of the universe, so you cant even observe the nature, because in the next moment it will be changed again. Heraklit was actually quite more near to the East, and if he had won the dispute, the two hemispheres would be much more near to one another.
About Israel, well, as a matter of fact the kabbalistic mysticism plays an enormous role for the whole Western philosophy since the times of the Greek Empire....I dont know if Israel is East or West ( may be it is exactly the middle), but it is clearly something that had enormous impact on Western Philosophy. According to Kabbalah every letter and word has a hidden sense and can be represented by numbers. So if you think about the fact, that Christianity teaches that the word was at the beginning, then you come fast to a conclusion that God expressed himself with numbers.....
The question why people are intereted in other religions: actually i find this even admirable. At least they try to build bridges. I hate fundamental religious heads even more than atheists. Really. Cant stand. Also this whole debate that i had in isratrance about my stories from India, i find it pathetic. At least I am interested in other religions....it is a plus...
I like to make jokes with people that i dont believe in God. To see how they react. Mostly then I truely see who is real and who is a fake spirit. I do believe in God, but in non of the religious Gods. I have another one. And I think many people in the West are exactly like me. The psychedelic heads. No dogmas needed.
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lazydazy
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Posted : Feb 11, 2009 07:14
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East and West have merged in most developing and developed countries.
People from different countries work together & live together.
Still there is a strong sense of nationality and identity among most people. They don't want to look beyond their own religion coz they have all the answers and faith needed to be happy. Most religions do offer the same principals of happiness to their audience.
But many times bad things happen, people need to blame sum1 for that bad thing to happen in their life. They sumtimes blame it on their god. Ok its good in a way they dont blame themselves (and hurt themselves) or blame another human being (and hurt them), they can blame their god 
Then they need to find new god coz they are conditioned to live a life of faith and need a higher power and ofcourse always a thirst for knowledge of the divine!
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moki
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Posted : Feb 12, 2009 12:24
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i dont think they have merged. neither in the west, not in the east.
the west is ridiculous by thinking that they got the point by reading a few hundred books and giving away a few tausand dollar for becoming enliightened. i cant listen to these people from the esoteric fraction any more. actually they have done nothing at all, they just bought with money, what they thought they could buy - spirituality.
i cant express how ridiculous the west is. the eastern solution is for the west only a dress for the ego at the end of the day. i mean the general situation. of course you find exceptions.
if you have more money, you have a better dress. it is disguisting. they are all so spiritual in the west. actually they have no clue what it is to have a real spiritual searching, spiritual fight in your mind, spiritual deprivation from the outside world.
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 02:53
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So the east has a monopoly on real spirituality? |
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Xolvexs
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grass is always greener on the otherside...as far as i know there are many people from east that are getting attracted to west, like kaballah, angel therapy,...and actually when it comes to numbers; there are far more converts from eastern to western, i know it may seem odd, but its a fact, we easterners are more fertile and horny.
if you look at the number of lower caste hindu's converting to islam, or christianity u will be shocked. similarly many tribals to fit into society after giving up their tribal ways become roman catholics, islamic or christian.
i guess people simply want something to believe in, eastern or western both reward "faith"...if you believe it will happen or it is...for those who question their belief they seek other belief, at some stage they find something works for them and they take that up, only to realize much later that they were only escaping from their past..when many people diverge from their own religious believes and accept or convert to anothers they are always focused on the things that were missing from their previous religion, and thus exaggerate that missing element and over play it to such a degree that their friends start converting too.
while eastern religions emphasize on peace, nirvana, etc from the inside, the west does that from the outside, exceptions like kabbalah and sufi..externalism and internalism all in all--both great marketing--with superior models---imagine Buddha and jesus doing a catwalk to Muhammad's designs, or Shiva singing a duet with Britney Spears
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 14:19
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I am happy to see some balance being brought to the thread. The acute stereo typing of western people reminds me very much of the attitude of extremist Islamic groups. Not very nice IMO. |
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traveller
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Posted : Apr 8, 2009 19:46
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Looks to me like Christianity and Hinduism are pretty much the same anyways. They both have a few main gods: God, Jesus and Satan in Christianity and Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva in Hinduism and then thousands of little gods like the angels and saints in Christianity and well I don't know that much about Hindu deities (AFAIK there are quite a few). I guess the biggest difference is the afterlife stuff..
Buddhism on the other hand is pretty different to all other religions. It's more like a way of life than religion, isn't it?
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~d2~
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Posted : Apr 8, 2009 20:02
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On 2009-04-08 19:46, traveller wrote:
Looks to me like Christianity and Hinduism are pretty much the same anyways. They both have a few main gods: God, Jesus and Satan in Christianity and Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva in Hinduism and then thousands of little gods like the angels and saints in Christianity and well I don't know that much about Hindu deities (AFAIK there are quite a few). I guess the biggest difference is the afterlife stuff..
Buddhism on the other hand is pretty different to all other religions. It's more like a way of life than religion, isn't it?
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I agree with your observations about Christianity and Hinduism.
But aren't all religions a way of life for those that follow them?
Is Buddhism really that different? I know it is currently more fashionable |
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