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EYB
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Posted : Nov 20, 2005 15:48
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On 2005-11-19 20:03, Demezriel wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious that full-on is a subgenre of Trance not of psy-trance. I mean think of Hypersonic, late Skazi, Father & Son etc... these artists don't even try to be psychedelic




And what do u mean with psychedelic?            Signature
Nobita
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Posted : Nov 20, 2005 19:46
Psychedelic : having the vivid colors and bizarre patterns associated with psychedelic states; "a psychedelic painting"

Now apply the spirit of that definition to our perception of sound and there you go. I don't want to strictly define THE MEANING OF PSYCHEDELIIIIC but I am sure that you agree that some acts are not psychedelic... is Tiesto psychedelic? I mean if the cover art, the title and above all the music all pertains to the psychedelic experience then I would consider a release to be psychedelic indeed. Of course all music can be trippy on a psychedelic, but I think the music itself has to be designed to send you through a journey of the mind to be rightly called psy-che-de-lic. (I am aware that I am posting very similar ideas in this thread and in the psychedelic movie thread, and all in all it ain't really important how we classify things, but there is a problem if in the end we start labelling more and more unrelated things to psychedelia to the point where people ask themselves the meaning of the word "psychedelic", when it is pretty clear at the base.) Anyway just sharing some ideas, and after all in a sense all art is a psychedelic abstraction of the human mind, but we already have a word for that... art.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 11:08
IMHO I find this topic booooooooooooriiiiiiinggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!           See you on the Trancefloor!!
traveller
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 12:07
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On 2005-11-19 20:03, Demezriel wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious that full-on is a subgenre of Trance not of psy-trance. I mean think of Hypersonic, late Skazi, Father & Son etc... these artists don't even try to be psychedelic, it's just fast trance with rolling base-lines and catchy leads. Now personally I enjoy this kind of trance alot , as I enjoy most kinds of trance (as long as it's not typical eurotrance), but it is not psychedelic trance. Now there is a whole lot of full-on that IS psychedelic, such as Visual Contact, Nissimyani, Tube, RAM etc... this genre is called : full-on psytrance, which is a hybrid between psytrance/goa and full-on. There is exists some confusion over this matter since full-on only appeared through the psy-trance movement, but it could have appeared by itself without any association to psychedelia. That's my opinion on the matter anyway , cheers !




That's what I've been saying all along However psychedelic full on just falls under "psytrance" in my books           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
EYB
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 14:55
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On 2005-11-20 19:46, Demezriel wrote:
Psychedelic : having the vivid colors and bizarre patterns associated with psychedelic states; "a psychedelic painting"




Is this ur definition, or is it from a book or what?

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I don't want to strictly define THE MEANING OF PSYCHEDELIIIIC but I am sure that you agree that some acts are not psychedelic... is Tiesto psychedelic?



I don't know tiesta, but i thought we were taliking here about psytrance. ASAIF Tiesto doesn't be psytrance act, nor says he is.


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but I think the music itself has to be designed to send you through a journey of the mind to be rightly called psy-che-de-lic



Another definition from u? Anyway where does u know from what music sends me through a journey of my mind? Lot of full on does this for me.

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I am aware that I am posting very similar ideas in this thread and in the psychedelic movie thread, and all in all it ain't really important how we classify things



Then talking here makes absolutly no sense, if we all talk about one term but we a all mean something different. Diffining the termonology is always one of the first steps.

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people ask themselves the meaning of the word "psychedelic", when it is pretty clear at the base



I don't think it is clear at all. If it is that clear to u give me a more precise defenition of 'psyceledlic', but not 'having bizare associated with psychedelic states'. U try to define but u use the same word again. No help for me sorry.

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Anyway just sharing some ideas, and after all in a sense all art is a psychedelic abstraction of the human mind, but we already have a word for that... art.



Ok, art means psychedelic? And so full on IS psychedelic?!            Signature
Pt.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 15:01
hehehe, EYB. You just dont get it.

Demezriel speaks the general truth.
Run Lola
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 15:06
i think that this topic is another attempt to redefine Psychedelic trance.. if we want to stick to the initial and exact word definition of psychedelic trance then Full on is not exactly what psy is about.. but i still agree that full on is a subgenre of it.
i dont understand why it would be ok to like or not to like Full on!!! so what i get from this thread is that people are not against full on, they re just against full on being part of psychedelic trance !! i dont see where's the logic in that??
EYB
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 16:19
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On 2005-11-22 15:01, Kire-naj wrote:
hehehe, EYB. You just dont get it.

Demezriel speaks the general truth.




I don't get u! What do u mean with 'You just dont get it.'?

And WTF is the general truth?            Signature
Nobita
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 19:12
Hmmm I think you misunderstood me on several accounts (for example yes I am saying art is perhaps psychedelic in essence but thus we should reserve the word psychedelic for the forms of art which have to do with the psychedelic experience). But anyway I don't think there's much I can add to what I said, it's just my thoughts on the matter but to be a bit more on subject, I am not saying that full-on is necessarily non-psy. But some is.
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EYB
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 19:27
Nothing personal, but ur reply is making even less sense now.

U say "art is perhaps psychedelic in essence", so does it or does it not be "psychedelic in essence" (still we didn't clear the word 'psychedelic). If it is the art of full-on is always psychedelic, if not it is not nessecary psychedelic which is ur view of full on.

Further u say "should reserve the word psychedelic for the forms of art which have to do with the psychedelic experience", it isn't clear what u mean.
Do u mean it "has to do with the psychedelic experience" because it is made as result of psychedelic experience or is made to give a psychedelic experience? Or both?
Anyway we can't objectivly define art as psychedelic with out defining psychedelic, which often means different things to different people.            Signature
Pt.
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 19:38
Ok, some help.

psychedelic

Definitions:

1. relating to hallucinogenic drugs: relating to, caused by, or describing drugs that generate hallucinations, atypical psychic states, or states that resemble psychiatric disorders


2. wildly distorted: weird, distorted, wildly colorful, or otherwise resembling images or sounds experienced by somebody under the influence of a psychedelic drug

Quick Definitions of "psychedelic":

adjective: producing distorted sensory perceptions and feelings or altered states of awareness or sometimes states resembling psychosis (Example: "Psychedelic drugs like psilocybin and mescaline")

adjective: of a mental state characterized by intense and distorted perceptions and hallucinations and feelings of euphoria or sometimes despair (Example: "A psychedelic experience")

adjective: having the vivid colors and bizarre patterns associated with psychedelic states (Example: "A psychedelic painting")

In a very simple term, "Psychedelic is a drug effect".

EYB, you live in Denmark, right? Give me a sound if you would like to experience your first psychedelic trip. Because you have to have been there to realy understand it. One cant say "I know psychedelic" without trying it your self. It's like saying you know how an orgasm feels without even having ONE orgasm to reflect on.

- Yes, this is , and it's drug related, but please dont delete it. Whats psytrance with out the "psy" .. ? Doesnt make sense in my opinion.


psy^soldier
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 21:00
its not ok to like fullon just like its not ok to like britney spiers music
EYB
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 23:30
@Kire-naj Thanks for writing down this definitions of psychedelic. Very good

I live in germany, and i know psychedelic trips for some time now. With drugs and without drugs. And this drove me to answer Demezriel the way i did. Coz a lot of stuff u hear first time may not sound psychedelic but it may in a different situation. Maybe the next time u listen the track or maybe under influences of drugs or being at a 'good vibed' party. And for sure u are right that it is important to take drugs, like LSD, at least once to understand the 'psychedelic state' of mind and of course to get the special 'listening-experience' of psytrance.

@psy^soldier yes and like it is not ok to name urself "psy^soldier"            Signature
Mandala Echos
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 23:30
----------psytrance--------------
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boring fullon| power fullon--

but about the psychedelic, i think that almost everything that show a subject message to the mind is in some way psychedelic, but this is question of % , some ways the psychedelic is very hide and in very small doses, but have some sounds thats 100% psychedelic, like some full power psytrance, forest trance (like derango), or some morning trance like trold or sundance records
EYB
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 23:35
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On 2005-11-22 23:30, Mandala Echos wrote:
----------psytrance--------------
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boring fullon| power fullon--

but about the psychedelic, i think that almost everything that show a subject message to the mind is in some way psychedelic, but this is question of % , some ways the psychedelic is very hide and in very small doses, but have some sounds thats 100% psychedelic, like some full power psytrance, forest trance (like derango), or some morning trance like trold or sundance records



Ok, but sometimes minimalistic changes, for example in sounds, or fractals, can be extrem psychedelic too.            Signature
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