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Is it fare for organizers and artists to be interested in making money?

virava


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Posted : May 4, 2007 02:45
...from Psytrance and from art in general.

please respect the topic;
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virava


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Posted : May 4, 2007 02:55
i think it is but while not this interest being "first on the list".
this interest has to be one of the last in the list. if it raises, things will get worse.

both organizing and composing are tasks that need time, inspiration (basically for the second one) and money, to happen properly.

also, when you make art, you create what you ve inspired with. after the creation maybe money come to you.
so if you are inspired to make money there s a bad feedback in the circuit! (vraxykyklwma!)

there could happen a small exception in this, in organizing, since it can be a job, maybe some organizers make good parties to make money, as they know and respect that if you make a job well, you ll succeed in your plans.
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DETOX
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Posted : May 4, 2007 03:05
No organisers will risk their freedom and personal life (especially in countries like Greece),spend their time,money and efforts on making parties just for everyone else to have fun and for the sake of psy trance (organisers cant really enjoy their parties you know since they got to make sure everything is running smoothly) while on the other side artists will spend endless hours in their studios (after they have spend a lot of money to built it) and put hard efforts to make music just for everyone else to enjoy while they will be feeding their families and themselves with PLUR and Peace All Around The World and Boom Shankar spiritual messages.

Not only its fair for organisers and artists to make money for what they do,just like everyone should make a profit out of his work/efforts,but its even more important for the fans of this scene to respect every organiser and artist for having the courage to support in his own way a style of music that was never and will never be really commercial and money profiting like other styles of music.

This is my humble opinion.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
virava


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Posted : May 4, 2007 03:16
i see you face art as being any kind of work/effort by your writings.

i think art should be faced a little different.
for example to understand what i mean:
if you need to make money from creating tracks to live (so it s you basic job) you ll need to create what the audience likes (to make your
money) so the inspiration stops there. which will be the meaning of art further?

i would have fully agreed with what you say, but only if it was about jobs. art is a surely differect subject from jobs for me.

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DETOX
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Posted : May 4, 2007 03:29
Virava what are you talking about mate.

Art is art and making a living means making a living.This doesnt mean that these two things cant be connected.And keep in mind that there are amateur artists (who paint lets say or make music just in their free time after their daytime job) and professional artists who have turned their love for art into also their real job which is amazing if you ask me because if you can make money out of making what you like is the greatest thing in the world if you ask me.

Guys wake up not everyone in the music industry acts like Skazi or 50 Cent or Beyonce or i dont know who else who just makes music to become a pop star and become rich.

For every Skazi their is a Juno Reactor and for every 50 Cent their is a group like Run DMC and for every Beyonce there is a Bjork.

People throughout the years have managed to combine their artistic skills with their need for a job that will bring them money to live properly.

Making money out of making art is not something bad at all,stick that to your mind please,and same applies ofcourse in organising parties which is more into the business sector.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
DETOX
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Posted : May 4, 2007 03:34
By the way since we are talking about money.

Once dear Virava you said in public something about expensive prices in one of my events,not so long time ago maybe couple of months,i send you a personal message through this forum with some details concerning how ticket prices are decided but you never replied back to me,either you didnt notice the message (i doubt so) or you chose to not answer because you didnt want to admit that what you said was just a speculation of yours.

I got this message saved in case you want to answer me even today so i can send it to you again and tell me how easy is to make a party in our days and whether an entrance fee of 25 euros is expensive or not.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
virava


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Posted : May 4, 2007 03:59
i asked for you to respect the topic and you, besides, brought in a subject that is clearly about us two.
i don t have any problem to give an answer but this is not respect in the subject of the topic.

of course i red your pm (as i read all messages) after i posted this propose in your event but i didn t replied because i just didn t have something to say.
to be fully honest, i thought to answer giving you the info of a party that was happening 1-2 weeks after this one we are talking, that was a party with 15E fee, with 2 int. guests and 2 (or more) greeks that play internationally, in a club of about the same capacity.
i don t want any organizer to give me explanations about what he is doing with his economics, i just think that most of parties in athens are 5 to 10 E more expensive than they could be.

i remind you this i wrote above:

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On 2007-05-04 02:55, virava wrote:

there could happen a small exception in this, in organizing, since it can be a job, maybe some organizers make good parties to make money as they know and respect that if you make a job well, you ll succeed in your plans.




i think you saw that i also not posted anything after that in this (your) party subject to leave things peacefull and not spoil your party.

so don t take it personally man and do not try to spoil, i didn t thought of you -and of course not this event you mentioned above- when i started this topic, not in my reply in your first post too (in this topic).          -_-_-_-_-_-_

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DETOX
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Posted : May 4, 2007 04:20
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On 2007-05-04 03:59, virava wrote:
i asked for you to respect the topic and you, besides, brought in a subject that is clearly about us two.
i don t have any problem to give an answer but this is not respect in the subject of the topic.



I respect the topic and forum a lot and i brought up this subject because a)it has to do with prices of events which is directly connected with the money promoters can make out of parties which is ofcourse connected with the topic and b)this isnt just between me and you,when you say something in public and i answer you something either in private or in public then you got to say something,this is what forums are for,you cant just say something and dissapear afterwards.

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On 2007-05-04 03:59, virava wrote:

of course i red your pm (as i read all messages) after i posted this propose in your event but i didn t replied because i just didn t have something to say.
to be fully honest, i thought to answer giving you the line up of a party that was happening 1-2 weeks after this one we are talking, that was a party with 15E fee, with 2 int. guests and 2 (or more) greeks that play internationally, in a club of about the same capacity.



You should have answered me back because after all like you said you had something to say and trust me i would have to say even more,when you start a discussion you must be able to continue it.


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On 2007-05-04 02:55, virava wrote:

i don t want anyone to give me explanations about what he is doing with his economics, i just think that most of parties in athens are 5 to 10 E more expensive than they could be.



Yes you dont want anyone to give you information about his economics but you want to come in public and comment about the party prices which you JUST THINK that they could be 5 to 10 euros less,well you read my private message then and you better think things over again cause what you thought and what really happens are two tottally different things,like we say in greece opios einai ekso apo ton xoro pola tragoudia kserei.

Anyway nothing personal but lately many people speak about many things that they obviously ignore and this really makes me angry to say the least.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
virava


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Posted : May 4, 2007 04:51
you continue this analysis so i will continue too:


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On 2007-05-04 04:20, DETOX wrote:

I respect the topic and forum a lot and i brought up this subject because a)it has to do with prices of events which is directly connected with the money promoters can make out of parties which is ofcourse connected with the topic and b)this isnt just between me and you,when you say something in public and i answer you something either in private or in public then you got to say something,this is what forums are for,you cant just say something and dissapear afterwards.





no you don t respect the topic because you told me about this propose i wrote in the topic this event and your words refered only to me, not to this event.
respect and productive discussion would be if you mentioned facts about this event.
so make clear which is your point of focus.

you told me it s a public issue but you answered me in private and now again you post about the two possible reasons of why i didn t answered in this pm

i said in copy: "price could be a little lower i think.." for this event you made.
it was 25E for two international sets.

i gave above a point for this event as you insisted:

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i thought to answer giving you the line up of a party that was happening 1-2 weeks after this one we are talking, that was a party with 15E fee, with 2 int. guests and 2 (or more) greeks that play internationally, in a club of about the same capacity.



but you did not. you only refered to me again.


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On 2007-05-04 04:20, DETOX wrote:

when you start a discussion you must be able to continue it.





i didn t start a discussion, i just wrote my opinion.


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On 2007-05-04 04:20, DETOX wrote:

Yes you dont want anyone to give you information about his economics but you want to come in public and comment about the party prices which you JUST THINK that they could be 5 to 10 euros less,well you read my private message then and you better think things over again cause what you thought and what really happens are two tottally different things,like we say in greece opios einai ekso apo ton xoro pola tragoudia kserei.





yeah i thought that the price could be a little lower because i ve gone to similar parties.


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On 2007-05-04 04:20, DETOX wrote:

lately many people speak about many things that they obviously ignore and this really makes me angry to say the least.





i am the customer so i can judge which price is low and which not and if the product is good, from all the products i see in the market.
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virava


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virava


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orange
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Posted : May 4, 2007 10:48
im an artist and im happy when i play my music in a party... and im even more happy when i get paid for it!

money is necessary to keep the artist going a tired and hungry artist with no place to stay and no equipement to make music after hes love for psy and playing always for free isnt exactly what keeps u going!

maybe if rich or rich parents an artist can focus exclusively on music and psyculture!


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vally


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Posted : May 4, 2007 11:09
Again conflicts between detox and else persons... virava you talk about a so boring and already 1000 times discussed subject. of course making parties is not only for own happiness but also for making money.. hello virava if you did not notice it yet being a promoter is a job and as I hope that you know people are working in order to make money... boom
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virava


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Posted : May 4, 2007 11:48
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On 2007-05-04 11:09, vally wrote:
Again conflicts between detox and else persons... virava you talk about a so boring and already 1000 times discussed subject.



if it is boring do not answer to it dear...
maybe other people want to participate, i don t see your point.
as for 1000 times discussed you are 1000 times wrong, i didn t found any topic like this one in searching, only you know what you are talking about.
as for conflict (it was with one person and not with many as you wrongly said), i hope you see (if you check again) i didn t start any..


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On 2007-05-04 11:09, vally wrote:
of course making parties is not only for own happiness but also for making money.. hello virava if you did not notice it yet being a promoter is a job and as I hope that you know people are working in order to make money... boom




i asked about artists too but you don t seem to feel (de noiwtheis) and you answer me in a very negative way as i would have asked this question only for oragnizers that by the way could be a job. it can healthier be a hobbie also.

i repeat, if you feel bored in discussing sth, do not discuss it. i think it s very logical and is gonna be good for you and all of us too.
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