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Is it fare for organizers and artists to be interested in making money?

virava


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Posted : May 4, 2007 12:26
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On 2007-05-04 03:29, DETOX wrote:

Making money out of making art is not something bad at all,stick that to your mind please,and same applies ofcourse in organising parties which is more into the business sector.




you still don t got what i said in my first post (where i wrote my opinion for this)
i feel you are stuck, because you show attention only to your thoughts, not others' ones. you are not making a discussion most of times, you only express yourself.
also try to be a little more kind, in real not in typical.

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piko_bianko
Oxya

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Posted : May 4, 2007 12:58
i believe that for those (we'll call em 'team A') who care making business, it's absolutely ok.. no matter on which field (sales, soccer, drugs, advertising, music, food). THIS is their goal and if they achieve it way to go for them! especially if they're talented and do what they do correctly, then they do no harm to anyone.

others ('team B') who like to contribute on any field without profit, just out of their love and in arts, for the sake of art, it's absolutely ok AGAIN if they succeed on it!

the problem is that we've built a community with money running in its vains, so even you're an artlover you need money to contribute to your field. In music either you produce, or dj, or organizing events you NEED money. no dj will fly from UK to Australia and no promoter would orginize events with money from his pocket just to satisfy ppl. he WOULD, if he was super rich.

where i'm heading at? even if you're an ART-contributor, why having the stress of a boring and meaningless morning job, while you are good at what you do and gaining SOME (not get u rich) respectable income will let you FOCUS on what you do?

as atropa i stand on the same beliefs!

have my rent and food paid monthly is the MOST money i'd ever wish to make out of music if the future, even if my work starts costing millions.

so, i agree with DETOX mostly, and i believe your diffirences are more about the type of language you use to each other, and not what each is saying we're mostly smart ppl in this Greek section but we usually disagree with each other for no other reason than personal diffirences.

happy times will be.           extreme
Giannis

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Posted : May 4, 2007 13:23
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i am the customer so i can judge which price is low and which not and if the product is good, from all the products i see in the market.

i think with that, you answer in your question
what does fare mean?
and to continue when you judge then you must choose
everything is "demand and supply" (prosfora kai zhthsh")
the only problem in greek trance scene with this is that too many "ships" ("gidia")dont allow "demand and supply" work and for sure organizers use that and well they do(kai kala kanoun)
and i can answer you in another topic why too many "gidia"
virava


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Posted : May 4, 2007 13:33
my friend this sentence refered to a discussion we had to make in private with mr. detox.

fare means right as you know. but right and wrong changes from person to person that s what i asked for: opinions.

i agree with most of your writings, these are standart things but i think a bit off-topic...
yeah please don t hesitate to post a topic for this, i m interested in!
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Giannis

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Posted : May 4, 2007 13:44
nor fare neither right exist
and as long as you agree and say these things are standart there's no topic, at least for organizers
virava


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Posted : May 4, 2007 14:50
of course they exist.

these things are for the organizers who make a living for this job.
it can be a hobbie also. you may don t see a topic, because you may see all things are the same but there is one.

it s not about only if they are interested in making money, it s about what priority they give in this.
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Giannis

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Posted : May 5, 2007 13:58
i dont think its easy to risk your money just for hobbie (when we talk about parties with international artists which costs)

when you re interested in making money soon or later the priority will be the money and as the time pass you ll try to earn the more you can

maybe i see all things the same maybe you see things more romantic and its not
virava


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Posted : May 5, 2007 14:42
organizer can be also someone who does not organize events with international guests.
i brought the example of making it as a hobbie because i ve seen it to myselft and my "team", who we organized two public events (both events had much attendance) but without any seek for money.

in internationals it s sure you risk more equipment and money that you have to take back but i believe that with nice planning things could happen in a not-only-profit way too.
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DETOX
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Posted : May 5, 2007 16:28
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On 2007-05-05 14:42, virava wrote:
organizer can be also someone who does not organize events with international guests.
i brought the example of making it as a hobbie because i ve seen it to myselft and my "team", who we organized two public events (both events had much attendance) but without any seek for money.



Yes there was no seek for money in your two public events because you didnt have to pay for a club rent,you didnt have to pay for taxes,you didnt have to pay for any international guest and his air tickets and other expenses (hotel,food,taxi),you didnt have to pay for security,you didnt have to pay for any serious promotion,you didnt have to pay any graphics designer or printing expenses,you didnt have to pay for any serious soundsystem or decoration,you didnt have to pay any people to work for you,you didnt have to pay for anything actually.You just invited 4-5 friends and splitted 1000 euros maximum which was your expenses for a below average soundsystem and maybe couple of hundrend flyers (which money you got back from selling drinks) and you just went up on the decks and had fun while playing music.All you risked in such an event was 200-250 euros for each person participating....

In events in clubs not only you risk serious money (ten times the money you risked in your free event) but most of all you risk of getting busted and having your party closed by the authorities and you having to deal with endless law problems or facing competition from another party or the weather raining cats and dogs and preventing people from coming to your event or simply not liking your event and not coming at all.

What "nice planning" can you exactly do in these situations so that big club parties can take place in a not only profit way?What planning and what arrangements can you do with the authorities or the weather or other promoters or the people habits?

Not everybody is organising parties under the protection of the universities asylum you know,actually not everybody WANTS to do such events,some people understand universities as different concepts than night clubs that operate when the weather is good from May till August and maybe the first days of September.

Organiser is a very broad term,my moms agenda is also called an organiser but it doesnt set up parties you know.

I will repeat myself once more OPIOS EINAI EKSO APO TON XORO POLA TRAGOUDIA KSEREI.
          Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Thanasonic
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : May 5, 2007 16:38
It is hard to say that but for the first time I agree with Detox 100%...

Even though i own a free webradio which somehow survives even though it has many expenses as the listeners are increasing, organizing parties and making releases as a record label is a very challenging task IN THIS KIND OF MUSIC...

The risks are HUGE and you play your ASS...
Nurbs
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Posted : May 5, 2007 18:00
Organizers and artists are paying taxes for the many that they earn ?
DETOX
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Posted : May 5, 2007 18:21
Every artist in order to sell a track somewhere has to provide a valid invoice (so the label can use it and state it as an expense in the end of the year otherwise the money payed to the artist will be considered as profit for the label and they will get taxated on it) and the same ofcourse takes place for gigs in parties.The laws are made in such a way that there is no possibility to escape from taxes either the artist provides a label manager/party promoter a valid invoice or not.If he provides an invoice then the artist pays the taxes if he doesnt then the label manager/party promoter pays the taxes.

Concerning party promoters they ofcourse pay taxes either the tickets of the event are cut on their own company or cut by the club owner.And not only they pay taxes but they also pay FPA and Dimotikos Foros (Municipality Taxation) which for every single ticket is 24% meaning that for a 25 euro ticket for example instantly the 6 euros go for the FPA and Dimotikos Foros.So when you see a ticket of 25 euros this actually means that the promoter gets 19 euros from the entrance.

Hope i solved both of your questions dear Nurbs.

P.S If you think that artists and party promoters earn a lot of money then why dont you become an artist or a party promoter?           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Nurbs
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Posted : May 5, 2007 20:11
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On 2007-05-05 18:21, DETOX wrote:


Hope i solved both of your questions dear Nurbs.

P.S If you think that artists and party promoters earn a lot of money then why dont you become an artist or a party promoter?




Dear Detox was just a question and i dont think that promoters or artists are making serious money. *unsure*
Was just curious cause alien djs/workers dont have permission to work right?? Hmm... looks like monkey business to me but on the other hand maybe i m wrong!!
DETOX
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Posted : May 5, 2007 20:24
Foreign artists (actually non european artists) get daily working permissions from their embassy in order to legally perform on various events around the country.

Just because noone talks about this matters in public it doesnt mean that noone is taking care of them you know

Any more questions concerning those "greedy promoters" ?           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Nurbs
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Posted : May 5, 2007 21:13
Yo detox we just making a conversation here or not?? Did i name someone as greedy ? I dont think so.
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