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Is it evolution if it's direction is towards another genre?

Cosmos Mariner


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Posted : Nov 17, 2004 19:29
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you also have to keep in mind that psytrance is in some ways a very rigid structure.



Interesting, I wasn't under this impression. What structure are you refering to exactly (apart from the standard 4/4 rhythm) ?

J.


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i don't make music, so i can't speak expertly on all the specific components of what makes up the trance sound, but i know there are certain elements that define trance in general, beyond the 4/4 beat. any producers want to comment here?

by structure i mean more like guidelines. in a way its instinctive. if you stray too far, you can tell something is missing. not saying this is a problem, but there comes a point when you mess with the formula enough that its not trance anymore. a lot of this is snobbery of course, but that's how it goes...

e.g. more recent x-dream. some of the tracks are 4/4, but its not really psytrance. i happen to like a lot of it, but they've gone in a different direction with it.

the only constant is change...           sound is vibration
mubali
Mubali

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Posted : Nov 18, 2004 02:58
There are certain sounds that are used mainly for psychedelic trance and there are other sounds that are used for other genres of dance music. For example: One of the common denominators of hard dance music is the use of the "hoover". It's a little difficult to explain the sound but, if you have ever heard any Hard Dance music (UK Hard House, NRG) then you probably have a good idea of the sounds that I am talking about. If you put that sound into psychedelic trance, some of the "purists" would cease to consider that song Psytrance.

Also the use of lots of sound effects (you know the whooshes and the strange sounds that help make the music psychedelic) is one that is common in Psychedelic trance and a few other genres like industrial and chillout music.

Most dance music that isn't psychedelic trance is really well formatted in its structure. You have a dj's intro, which is usually just the kick drum and maybe some percussion, No bassline for the first 64 measures (approx). Then the bassline kicks in and some of the synths come in... usually building to a point where there is an epic breakdown. The breakdown builds back up usually with the main synthline or "theme" and the track goes with full force from that breakdown. The song will be going strong for a minute or two and it begins losing parts that were there before. Then it will lose the bassline and peter out....

Psytrance doesn't always follow that particular formatting. I have noticed within the past year or two that some psytrance has taken to the traditional formatting, but one thing that I have noticed that psytrance does rather well is incorporating multiple "themes" into each song. Almost like having multiple chapters in one short story.


For me what really distingushes what pushes psytrance toward another direction or not is the type of sounds that are used. For me cross pollination of genres are indeed good things, if I like the genre that its crossed with. I am not a fan of house music, so naturally I will not be as fond of a psytrance song with a house feel to it.

I also have been guilty of crossing other genres with psytrance. I have one song that has a strong breakbeat influence and another that has a distinct drum & bass feel. I like knowing that psytrance is comfortable enough to use aspects of other genres while still keeping it "psychedelic."           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
daniel duarte
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Nov 18, 2004 05:39
It's true that artists just get bored of doing the same style/genre over and over again.. And like someone said, they cannot evolve as much as they would like too because people may not be ready for it and may not apreciate it as much as they'd like them to.

Its a tricky path to go when trying to evolve. Even for the labels, they sometimes don't want to risk releasing something too "forward in time" because they fear the sales could be less. There's always the fear of not being pleasent to the audience and for me that sucks. I mean, how will people evolve then if you just listen to the same concepts over and over again? You just wont.

Being a producer, I find that having side-projects in diferent areas is a great way to chill out your brain and also learn stuff you can apply later, in a totally diferent genre. And by having a side-project (that means a diferent artist name) you wont risk it to the point of loosing specific fans.
Indra


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Posted : Nov 18, 2004 19:47
the idea is that this style becames pop and commercial..so the artists who made us dream in the past are killing the scene..so..evolution is not equal as the progress...           "Dance like nobody's watching; love like you've never been hurt. Sing like nobody's listening; live like it's heaven on earth."
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