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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jun 7, 2003 11:17
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I can't believe that U people are extoling IMMOBILITY and just go on crying after "steals"
Elysium (and Yuli) have their own solution, maybe efficient but so sad one..
So what ?
Anakoluth : "The death of CD" : it would NOT be the first time that such a thing happens and MUSIC didn't die after all : I am talking about vynils which were THE format in its golden period, I am talking about Tapes, etc
15 € are still more than 0 :: such a general truth is a bit easy to write.
Why are there people that like Bourgogne Wines and others Coke only ?? a question of money ?? not only, I guess..
Many people don't care about the QUALITY of what they are eating, drinking, smoking, LISTENING TO, breathing, sniffing, f..king, and so on !!!!
AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY !
There are so many 'factors' that such a problem can't be summed up to the only f...ing money.
I hate Universal and Sony Music because I can't prevent myself to consider them as entities like Nike or Levis, but no doubt that they are worrying exactly the same way as U, underground musicians, and they are also trying to find some solutions...
Do U remember when the first Video-Automatons appeared ??? EVERYBODY was smiling at this and yet just consider the SUCCESS of them, and the benefits that people who trusted in it could have made today...
Again.... my two cents..
Have a nice day.
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Bonji
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Posted : Jun 7, 2003 17:12
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Yes a real artist album is coming with cover and a whole concept, without this it would just be some meaningless compiling of songs!
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Jun 7, 2003 17:31
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another point (which might not be as relevant nowdays) is that an album or a compilation's order of tracks should have a meaning. and you lose that meaning by compiling it yourself.
but as i said, this isn't really relevant since most labels don't pay attention to the order.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jun 8, 2003 12:26
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may be u dont know but there was legal site 140bpm that sold previously unreleased trax from known artists (trance artist), so everybody was able to buy exactly what he want.. i dont need to say they bankroupt now..
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Anak
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Posted : Jun 8, 2003 13:09
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KakoO - calm down. 
well and i wrote "the death of the cd like we know it today", which means that in the future, when this system has established, it would be really possible that there'll be no more cd's to buy (compiled, with cover and so on). i could really imagine this, and it doesnt sound that utopic.
and what ? it has nothing to do with money?? do u think that a guy, who never payed for music since napster came up, will start to buy these individual cd's? as someone else said, u can also make individual cd with kazaa.
i'm not against this system, but i think it doesnt solve any problem at all.
peace out.
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 8, 2003 13:41
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Let's look at this from a different angle for a minute.
Suppose that you'd have a machine like this only with all of the trance music available. And that you could pick any tracks. And let's suppose that you could prelisten to the entire tracks there. What would this mean for the trance world?
Would it mean better sales? Probably, as people still like high quality sound and respect the artists, this would give them more of a chance to buy the tracks they want without being stuck with 'compilation fillers', or tracks in a style they don't like.
But how would it change the other aspects of the trance world?
If any of you remember TIP's Phosphorescent compilation, at the time, it had a very dark and underground sound that just wasn't out there before (I consider this album the first real venture into the darker side of trance, not just shots in the dark like up to that moment... pun intended), and a lot of people I knew had a hard time digesting the music on this album, even among veteran trancers at that time. Tracks like ManMadeMan and Tristan - Purple Merlin wouldn't have gotten nearly as much exposure if you could pick the tracks you wanted, because that was a dive into deep experimental areas that even today remain largely unexplored... It took me a long time until I really got into the groove of this one (I was a major goa-head at the time). If I would have chosen the tracks I wanted from this album, I'd definately drop this one.
But it was one of the most mind-expanding tracks I heard at the time. I would have missed out on that.
What started by letting DJs compile the albums to give them more commercial and dancefloor value would become more extreme. Artist albums would obviously suffer the most - no one would like a diverse album if he can take only the things he/she would like most. This would be a strong push towards commercializing the music - as every track would have to appeal to as many people as possible if the artist would want it to sell well. The average person (not everyone) who wants house grooves in his trance music would totally ignore everything on styles he doesn't like. Someone who likes gothic techtrance wouldn't buy compilations that have only a touch of techtrance on them, but rather focus on the artists he likes.
That means a LOT less exposure to new artists, a lot less experimental music, and a lot less diversity in people's musical collections. That would lead to a much less diverse musical scene, and from there, it's a short step to having a lot less artists trying to expand the borders of trance music, which would seep into most parties.
As someone that values diversity and experimentalism in psytrance, I think this would be a very partial solution to the record sale problems of the labels, and in the long run might even harm the scene more than it would help it.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jun 8, 2003 13:47
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The average person (not everyone) who wants house grooves in his trance
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i was say - the degrading person.. or the low level of mind functionality person...
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 8, 2003 14:05
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It was an example - when I said the average person (meaning, not necessarily anyone who isn't average), and then even limited that, I truely meant it as an example of someone with a specific musical taste that likes one side of the music over the rest - notice the semantics chosen, if you don't want to be in that generalization or don't feel it's right, then I didn't mean it (semantics is a wonderful thing  ). I also gave the example of gothic techtrance. It also fits for people who want the Finland/Australian brands of lunacy, full-onists and so on. I didn't include everyone in that group, which is something that a few other people tend to do here a lot, and didn't aim my words to someone specific, as others tend to do, not always in a complementing way. http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Jun 8, 2003 17:23
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my point exactly! only written muh better
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TiMMY
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Posted : Jun 8, 2003 19:22
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You're right Kaz.
A good album is also and album that builds on you, tell you a story, etc.
Same for comps - the compiler sequences the tracks in a certain way for a reason.
Applying this "solution" would put an end to tracks that tell a story togather, and we'll get much less complicated and diverse music. |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jun 9, 2003 12:38
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No problem Anakoluth  but honnestly of course I know some downloaders and i'm not innocent too, but I reaally don't know any person who didn't spend ONE cent for music since Napster came. This soundz even not possible for me and I hardly believe that such people remain being in the minoritary..
And once again a compiled with kazaa Cd will taste like too much boiled Pastas with a ready-to-serve-without-taste-tomato Sauce. And some people don't mind and will eat them smiling...
The thing will (could ) be solved with 'education' and nothing else..
Just like culinary tastes can be developped with practise, Music exploration in the respectful way can (should, MUST ) be practised and spreaded out around...
Anyways it will be a huge work.
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Jun 9, 2003 18:03
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but I reaally don't know any person who didn't spend ONE cent for music since Napster came
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i do, more than one.
but i'm definatly with you about the rest!
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