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yossi
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Posted : Apr 30, 2003 21:38
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i dont think that trance dont have enough buyers.
i think its more like...not enough listeners who want to buy.
by not opening new labels, that will open doors to more young artists... that will bring a newer generation and progrees, exactly the opposite of what we want will happen.. we simply will choke the music.
im preaty sure that we have enough problems and more important once then the number of the labels... i think its a bless.
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krelm
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Posted : Apr 30, 2003 22:08
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On 2003-04-30 20:27, Gilad Refael wrote:
other genres are bigger and have more buyers than our's.
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I might also add that other electronic music genres tend to put out more vinyl in relation to CDs (more of a DJ-base buying the music). While proportionally (per song), vinyl singles are more expensive, an individual piece is usually around half the price of a CD. This has a few effects:
1. the average buyer can buy more releases since they are cheaper
2. copying is less of an effect - most psy DJs can play CDs, but most house/tekno/d&b/breaks/etc DJS still can just do vinyl (although that is changing)
3. djs rely less on trading of unreleased stuff - most of it comes either from the labels (white label/promos) or directly from the artists. whichever the case, it is difficult to "trade" for unreleased material, especially if you are an unknown DJ.
4. AFAIK, labels can do smaller runs of vinyl fairly easily. I have a few vinyl releases that were pressed in very small runs (200-500).
5. Vinyl DJs buy a *lot* of records. Plus, being a DJ is "cool". IE, there is always an increasing pool of people buying records in other scenes that are more vinyl-based. To go from average psytrance listener to DJ is easy...just buy a pair of CDJs, burn all your mp3s to CD, or get some DJing program. To go from a house/jungle/techno/etc listener to DJ, you pretty much have to start buying vinyl.
Put really simply, you don't see as many new vinyl-based labels in relation to buyers.
Now, all that may very well change in the next 4-5 years with programs like final scratch & traktor becoming more popular (where anybody can become a DJ with the help of some damn filesharing program like soulseek). But for now, psytrance is the most CD-based electronic dance music scene I know of.
I am not saying that vinyl is the end-all-be-all solution to improving sales (I don't even want to get into that argument), but it seems to have forestalled a lot of the problems we see from psytrance-related labels that depend highly on CD sales. An increase in the number of labels releasing mostly vinyl (and servicing DJs) won't hurt as much as with a CD-based industry.
An interesting aside...Global Underground is a progressive/trance/house label that depends on CD sales (they release mixed releases for the most part). Apparently, their sales have taken a serious hit in the last year or two.
I am probably just talking out my ass, so feel free to disagree. 
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KosMos
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Posted : May 1, 2003 02:01
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ahm........
i see that only a few people here prefer balance....
i never said that i'd prefer only 5 or 10 labels worldwide.... but 200+ ??? they are too many..
and the reason is that this is bad is that very few labels have high standards (and i don't mean only sound quality) so every new artist "hopes" to have a track released even if it's not his best try.
NO! i admit that i have released some tracks when i began to write music that were not very good in quality (generally) and i'm not happy about that. the labels gave me a very good chance which i'm thankful but i regret it a lot now. if all the labels where of high standards i would spent another year or maybe two to improve myself and present a better me.
labels and crowd should go by proportion. you just simply cannot have 50 shepherds for 100 sheeps..
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yossi
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Posted : May 1, 2003 12:13
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maybe... but for me, im having hard time to find releases that answers my musical taste nowdays.
there r very few "big" labels that r realy trying to do something new, not repeating the same realease over and over again.
tho some of them have sub labels, but they r bearly active 
so... its time to check out the smaller independent labels.
those labels who realy do something to bring new blood to the stage, and realy do some quality checkings b4 releasing.
i dont think that samll labels who release 2-4 releases per year can do wrong to the scene.
on the contrary, they r my "escape" from the regular boring unoriginal releases.
and im glad that i dont have only few option to check out.
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KosMos
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Posted : May 2, 2003 18:49
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i agree with you yossi..
i just wish that all of the "unworthy" labels (whichever these are) could close just in one day..
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yossi
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Posted : May 2, 2003 21:16
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well... thats up tp the cround/listeners i think.
we just got to "vote" when we go the our music store.
and dont forget mate, what is so called "unworthy" for u and me... might be gold to some1 else
but in general, yes... i truely think that we have lots of labels, old or new.. that bring/contribute absolutely nothing to the music/scene.
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Basilisk
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Posted : May 2, 2003 22:40
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We began our label when it became clear that few were releasing the kind of music we really enjoy, namely the classic sound of Goa trance that contains a positive message, perhaps even a spiritual one (depends on the listener, right?). And more to the point - even the labels that are dealing with the uplifting vibes seldom release any vinyl!
Our experience thus far has been difficult... most distributors won't deal with vinyl releases at all, and if they do the rates are usually too low to even make half the investment back. I tend to believe that vinyl buyers pirate less than their counterparts - sure, everyone downloads, but most people want a good quality version of whatever they like. The difference is, CDs are so ridiculously easy to copy, whereas vinyl is definatly not. Alas, we are stonewalled at the distributor level since the profit margins on vinyl is far lower than that of CDs... well, its an ongoing battle we hope to make some success with this summer - even if we do have to lose thousands...
I did want to point out that there are plenty of niches that are missed thanks to economics... classic Goa trance is certainly one of them.
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