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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 16:26
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I was listening to my beloved "Tsunami Benefit" album (Chill cd) released by "Organic Records" and smoking like usual last night. I just got to say that I love it when a compiler dares to mix together chill tracks. A perfect example is the transition (wrong word?) from "Hallucinogen in DUB (Ott) - Angelic particles" to "Juno Reactor - Angels and men"
- It is so easy, and most important, it is so comfortable for the listener. I do not understand why "most" chill compilers avoid mixing chill tracks together. (ex: Quality Relaxation by PKS (Chill Tribe Records) and A Magical Journey - Ajana Records)
I see and partly understand their arguments about DJ's want to have 100% of the tracks, and not a mix cd. But come ON! A chill cd that is mixed do not hurt a DJ, and it cant hurt the record sales. Like my example of OTT - Juno Reactor, the mixing is very soft and at the bitter end of the track, we’re talking 4 seconds of floating sounds overlapping one and another. Nothing of the track is lost, and the DJ can still use the track in his or her sets. No problem at all. And most importantly, me, the buyer gets to listen to a album without the annoying breaks in between each track, especially if the breaks are at 2 sec +.
Oh, and don’t forget the tripper. It's such a plus when it's with no breaks.
I sure hope brilliant compilers will change this trend in the future.
pis & løv,
psytones
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Jespar
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 17:17
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I have no problem with mixed-together tracks, but the mixes have to be good - otherwise compilers shouldn't waste their time doing it. I've heard quite a couple of CD's that never should have been mixed.
I myself like my fresh CD's to be non-mixed or lightly mixed. But I'm also into dj'ing, guess that explains a lot ;-)
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blueOrb
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 17:30
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Blue Night
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 17:34
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its an intersting point kirenaj..i also feel the same way that i like to smoke a big doobie space out listening to a floating mixed cd and no pauses..also compilers should try to have a story in a cd which flows without a break or a break wherever it fits to the story..i think its enough admiration for artist and a label if they are able to fit tracks to create a vision of the cd ..that way i own a special chill cd.rather than have 9 tracks of different chill sounds.
and djin is no problem man..practice and vision:)
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 17:50
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Blue Night - Glad we agree *high five!*
Jesper - Lightly mixed. Ok, lets go with that term. Of cource, as a DJ i understand that it sucks to get a compilation (chill) if it's over mixed or badly mixed. But ALL, yes I mean ALL (chill) compilation should atleast have a light smooth transition from track to track. I dont even see this as an area to dicuss. It's chill music, how hard can it be to make light transitions from track to track? It just irritates me when a compiler doesnt even dare to mix it mega light. To leave a space of 2 seconds is to me unprofessional. And, it's a boring solution, imo.
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PKS
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 18:06
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When I see that a compilation is mixed, I usually don't even want to buy it! I don't like and have never liked mixed CDs... Me and other people I know, always check if the CD is mixed before we buy it. If it's mixed, we loose the interest... It doesn't sound original enough...
As a music collector, I want the tracks to be complete, just the way the artist has made it, with their personal creativity of intro/outro on the track they have made... Also because I dj, I can't stand that compilations are even slightly mixed. I don't want the compiler to show us that he can mix. I do that myself at home instead! And if two seconds are too much silence in your weed experience, I guess you have just smoked too much...  No offense anyone! Psytones has asked me about this before, and I gave about the same answer...
Anyway, it's totally wrong to call an unmixed CD unprofessional...! Compilations on Chill Tribe Records will never be mixed. It's very easy to do it, but for me, that would ruin some of the originality...
Just my simple opinion....
CHILL TRIBE
CTRCD01 QUALITY RELAXATION
CTRCD02 RELAXED JOURNEYS
CTRCD03 EAR PLEASURE
CTRCD04 WOMBATMUSIC - Shameful Silence
CTRCD05 POLYPLOID - Grow Your Own
CTRCD06 IAN ION - Gringo Locomotion
CTRCD07 SUNKINGS - Before We Die |
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 18:18
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ok what other chill compilations are digitally mixed?let's add in a few names it'll be nice to know 
As you've mentioned :
the Tsunami Benefit
Natural Born Chillers also...
I know albums that are mixed, but compilations is a more rare example. I'd like to mention out those only.
As a listener and as part of the chillout domain, I am not interested in the djing part - I want a trip through out the whole CD. I guess the feeling is mutual.
PS: or not. (@PKS) Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 18:47
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PKS is what you would call a "music/DJ/collector snob"  - I see your point PK, and I guess you see mine as well. But what can a MEGA light mix do of harm? .. Unprofessional was a wrong word to use. - I just dont fancy my compilation to be a pure "promo" cd. IF the compiler, like Blue Night said, makes a good journey instead of just a "promotion" album, it can heal my wounds. But I'm affraid that to few compilers do just that. To create a full worthy journey. I still dont see why "you" cant make a chill compilation with light transitions. I just cant grasp it, understand it, agree with it. Oh well
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PKS
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 18:55
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Yes, Psytones... I completly understand why you like it to be mixed... I just explained why many release it unmixed...
And yes, it doesn't ruin that much for the dj, except if it is beat matched etc... Offcourse I am a "music/DJ/collector snobb"  I have always been a bit peculiar when it comes to music (and other things ) Anyway, interesting topic. Keep your opinions coming guys & girls
CHILL TRIBE
CTRCD01 QUALITY RELAXATION
CTRCD02 RELAXED JOURNEYS
CTRCD03 EAR PLEASURE
CTRCD04 WOMBATMUSIC - Shameful Silence
CTRCD05 POLYPLOID - Grow Your Own
CTRCD06 IAN ION - Gringo Locomotion
CTRCD07 SUNKINGS - Before We Die |
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 19:07
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Ok, beat matched mixes is a whole different story. So lets focus on the light, smooth and quit mixes. Beat matched mixes is first of all for "trance" compilations, and at that area I 100% concure with the 2no no" croud. IF a beat centred album is mixed, it better be fucking amazing. Oh, and as a hobby DJ, I managed to mix beat matched compilations into my sets with almost no problem at all. But I prefer it to be nonmixed, of cource.
-Trip. I dont know, but I'll go through my albums and see if I can find any other comp. with light mixes.
PK, i'm talking about extremly light transitions, even you could accept that? - Hmm... I want to convert you.
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PKS
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 19:21
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- Hmm... I want to convert you.
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Don't try to bribe me... Or maybe? What do I get?
Anyway, I am VERY stubborn, so it will not be easy...
CHILL TRIBE
CTRCD01 QUALITY RELAXATION
CTRCD02 RELAXED JOURNEYS
CTRCD03 EAR PLEASURE
CTRCD04 WOMBATMUSIC - Shameful Silence
CTRCD05 POLYPLOID - Grow Your Own
CTRCD06 IAN ION - Gringo Locomotion
CTRCD07 SUNKINGS - Before We Die |
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 19:50
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As a chill DJ I listen to albums in three different ways. My answer to do I like compilations to be overlapping between tracks (i.e the tracks are played from start to finish, just overlapped by several seconds at the transition) rather than mixed (often missing large portions at beginning and end of tracks) is different for different purposes.
1. Put the CD on from start to finish and listen. In this case I prefer the tracks to overlap, as it makes for a continuous experience. I think PKS is wrong that a 2 second gap shouldn't ruin your weed experience. What it does is give you 10 short weed experiences, rather than 1 hour long experience.
2. Put the tracks onto my mp3 player. In this case I hate it when the tracks overlap, because I like to listen to my mp3 player on 'shuffle'. When a track is finishing I hear the next mixing in and then suddenly it cuts out because the mp3 player is choosing the next track.
3. As a DJ I generally don't mind if the mixing is unobtrusive. But sometimes it can be very annoying because I cannot play a track in its entirety. For example with The Future Sound of Ambient vol III (2000 BNE) as track 1 (cosmosis), I would like to let the track fade out completely as it has a good ending, but suddenly this big x-dream synth starts meaning I have to cut the mix short.
This is annoying.
As someone who DJs chill, but does not DJ full-on, I get easily bored by unmixed psytrance cds, but love hearing it mixed.
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Posted : Jan 11, 2006 11:35
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On 2006-01-10 19:07, Kire-naj wrote:
Hmm... I want to convert you.
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On 2006-01-10 18:06, PKS wrote:
When I see that a compilation is mixed, I usually don't even want to buy it! I don't like and have never liked mixed CDs... Me and other people I know, always check if the CD is mixed before we buy it. If it's mixed, we loose the interest... It doesn't sound original enough...
As a music collector, I want the tracks to be complete, just the way the artist has made it, with their personal creativity of intro/outro on the track they have made... Also because I dj, I can't stand that compilations are even slightly mixed.
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So PKS, lets take Ott's album "Blumenkraft". This album is slightly mixed, would that say that you despite it, and do not use it in your sets? Same goes for "Hallucinogen In Dub". It's slightly mixed, just as I like my chill compilations to be.
So what do you have to say for your self?
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PKS
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Posted : Jan 11, 2006 11:54
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So PKS, lets take Ott's album "Blumenkraft". This album is slightly mixed, would that say that you despite it, and do not use it in your sets? Same goes for "Hallucinogen In Dub". It's slightly mixed, just as I like my chill compilations to be.
So what do you have to say for your self?
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Offcorse I would use them in my sets, because I have no choice. And when it is artist albums, it is a different question if you ask me. Because the artist has chosen it to be like that, not a compiler (who hasn't made the music...) I often use mixed compilations in my sets too (because I have no choice) , but I would prefer them to be unmixed...
CHILL TRIBE
CTRCD01 QUALITY RELAXATION
CTRCD02 RELAXED JOURNEYS
CTRCD03 EAR PLEASURE
CTRCD04 WOMBATMUSIC - Shameful Silence
CTRCD05 POLYPLOID - Grow Your Own
CTRCD06 IAN ION - Gringo Locomotion
CTRCD07 SUNKINGS - Before We Die |
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : Jan 11, 2006 12:24
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This is mental ego masturbation guys,,, music is music, when is good is good. Whit fades, x-fades & un-fades.
& when you are a good dj, is not a problem to beat mixing or good mixing a track, from any start points.
& use your computer for make specials edits when you need a more good /in/out.
So what ?
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