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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Aug 10, 2002 15:40
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I am not the Crowd! and his name was Robert Paulson!
  "We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb
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Wako Jako
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Posted : Aug 10, 2002 15:41
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hahahahahaahahahahha !!!!!
jason i peed my pants...
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Aug 10, 2002 18:14
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when i go to a party, i want to hear music that makes me go wild, mostly it is full on.
IMHO a good DJ is one who can make the crowd bounce like frogs all the time.
i dont want DJ's to experiment with sounds in a party, they can do it at their houses\studios.
Wako Jako is right and i'm with him
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Candy
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Posted : Aug 10, 2002 18:24
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Kaz, your words remind me of fight club:
"you are not the clothes you wear"
I'm 100% with you
I also come to parties to listen to music.
And unfortunately, I keep on hearing the same set over and over again with every d.j
The only ones that do make a difference are very rare.
Majority is never right!
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Wako Jako
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Posted : Aug 10, 2002 19:57
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as shahar signature say:
"be the change you want to see in the world! (Ghandi)"
BE the dj you want to hear.
that is the reason im doing it.
[ This Message was edited by: Wako Jako on 2002-08-10 19:59 ] SMILE ! and the whole world will smile right back at you ! |
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 11, 2002 02:51
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Well i think that a dj's work is to make people dance,i dont care what music he plays as long as he can make me dance or give a good vibe to the party.
You go to clubs for having fun,if you want some serious listening then stay at home and listen to other kinds of music rather than club music.
You want to be a good dj?
Play the music that you like as long as people on the dancefloor like it as much as you do,otherwise stay at home and mix foryourself.
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Kaz
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Posted : Aug 11, 2002 10:51
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A good set is much more than the sum of all the tracks played in it. There is sooooo much more to it. Technique, structure, enviroment, a whole story. If you just want to hear GMS, Astrix, whatever and don't care about the DJ that much, well, you still didn't find out how amazing trance can really be. If you play stuff you hate, well, then you're not a DJ, you're a McDonalds cashier, doing what you hate for the money, and actually, pretty humiliating yourself at times.
Out of your 10 favorite sets, how many of them were not special at all? If you answer is more than 4-5, you are the crowd. I personally think that all of my favorite sets had something truely special in them.
I once heard a set from Alien Project. He played a lot of tracks from the Unusual Suspects compilation, one of my favorite CDs ever. I really didn't like his set though. Buddha Source played only two tracks I recognized, and later, I heard more of the tracks and didn't find them THAT special. They definately don't go into what I would call my "classics" category (excluding Haldolium - One of These Days, I love that one  ). But his set left an impression on me that will make me go to the next 2-3 parties he'll DJ in that I can reach.
Dimitri Nakov became famous not because he plays hits. Every person in the world can do that. Think about that for a moment. What makes him different from Avi (from DEAZ)? Who will make you dance more?
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Olli
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Posted : Aug 11, 2002 15:44
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kaz- what r u basiclly trying 2 say in short?
if i understood right, u want every Dj 2 play his own uniqe music.
if we take it 2 a differnet field, the field of music writing and composing (i'm no musician), u can c that most songs have a structure that includes a returning verse. y is that made? so we can connect better 2 the song, so we r able 2 know what is next and that song we'll b more catchy.
same way with parties. people love 2 hear something that they recognize, something that they will know where the next bass entrance and when 2 jump. it's y Djs play known music instead of experimental one, it's easier 4 the crowd 2 connect and 4 the Dj 2 amplify the crowd.
another example is that people enjoy more when seeing a show that they know the words of the songs.
i think that people tend 2 connect much easly with thing that they r fimiliar with, and this is what it's all about
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Kaz
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Posted : Aug 11, 2002 17:25
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Wrong. There is a huge difference between musical structure and a party. Playing what people like to hear is the easiest thing in the world. Composing music that everyone likes is ALSO very easy (Britney, my favorite example. Astrix in trance). Musical structure is a tool musicians have for expressing emotions. A lot of musicians throughout history repeated parts of their music - but comparing Bach to Shiva Chandra in this form is NOT totally out of place - the way in which you go over a phrase you already used is what makes all the difference. You can't say all music that repeats parts of itself is the same - that way Bach, Britney, Astrix and Shiva Chandra make the same thing, which is wrong.
I never said that people need to play something experimental. This could be the most day to day music selection in the world, like Dimitri Nakov has. It needs to be something special to break the barrier between "nice" to "amazing". You don't do anything special, you may get a few gigs, but people will treat you as a "nice" DJ as long as you do that (eg, Avi&Zohar, for this reason exactly nearly everyone prefers Zohar - Avi may play all the GMS, Astrix whatever types of tracks, but people will always prefer Zohar because he puts something of his own mind into his sets).
People love to hear something they recognize. True, but people in the trance scene also have an open mind. A DJ can play good and recognizable music, but put something extra into it. The moment you don't, the "will computers replace a DJ" thread we had will have one answer.
Yes.
If you only want hits and nothing more, you don't need human touch for that. You don't need creativity for that. You don't need anything special. And these are the things that in the end of the day we end up saying "that was fucking amazing".
I am not talking about music selection. I am talking about that little extra personal touch in the set that makes it an experience, not just a winamp crossfader that can understand what it's playing.
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Wako Jako
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Posted : Aug 11, 2002 17:39
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you mean mixing skills.
and mixing style.
not just putting 2 tracks together...
right ?
if so then i agree 100% with this.
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Kaz
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Posted : Aug 11, 2002 18:39
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Yeah, and the more the mixing skills, mixing style, story behind the set and just the way everything flows for the dancers (well, me especially  ). There's a difference between a DJ with good technique and a DJ who's an artist though. Good technique and good track selection aren't everything (even though they can do nicely).
Like I said earlier, a DJ's set has as much personality as the DJ who played it. Personality goes a long way . And, it keeps a relationship going through the years  . I think I'll stop qouting movies now.
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Wako Jako
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Posted : Aug 12, 2002 09:16
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10x for an interesting thread asaf.
keep'm coming.......
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Rabbitalien
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Posted : Aug 12, 2002 10:10
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Good topic!
I totaly agree with you Kaz but i am very certain that this cant Happen, ever-never...
I think this subject is very specialised in a way .
In parties i dont think that most people care about all the things that kaz say. I guess maybe 1 % of people care about the personality-technique-selection thing of the Dj. Most people dont even care about technique , they just want music to be played by someone. Thats the truth i think. If people dont care..., why a Dj try to be so unique? ... People want .. hits! People want to dance with famous tracks ! People want Full On ! people want drugs(yeaah lots of them..) ! So why make it so complicated ?
For most people music is just an entertaiment , for less people is art and way of life..
Your point Kaz is valid only for the minority group..So it cant happen as i said in the first place for many reasons but the most important is promotion--->economic.. |
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Wako Jako
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Posted : Aug 12, 2002 10:28
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thats why he said:
"im NOT the crowd"
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Rabbitalien
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Posted : Aug 12, 2002 10:42
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The crowd is one. Everyone Belongs to the Crowd. The crowd doesnt change . Some people change, Music change,Place change, but the crowd still doesnt change. Never-ever!
The minorities learn to live with the majorities the majorities lead the way . The minorities produce the majorities consume!
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