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how to get a nice bassline
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Bar Mitzwa
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Posted : Oct 18, 2011 14:29
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no eq is cool!
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Bar Mitzwa
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Posted : Oct 18, 2011 15:00
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orgy
do you sample your bassline or keep it midi till the "end"?
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orgytime
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Posted : Oct 18, 2011 16:14
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if your vst has a trigger button and is accurate i wouldnt care.
even if the vst is not accurate i would keep the midi and make the sample work in the end.
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Oct 18, 2011 18:49
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Low shelving more transparent hmm... Does anyone not EQ the bass and then just use a high pass or low shelf LINEAR PHASE eq on the bounced master track? That seems like it would be the most transparent....
oh and imo its best to keep bass in midi as long as possible to allow for modulation all the way til the end of production, then bounce to audio at the end for final editing...
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Bar Mitzwa
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Posted : Oct 20, 2011 07:31
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orgy again
and how do you handle your kick?
I mean, do you eq it?
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orgytime
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Posted : Oct 20, 2011 09:20
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yes, with the basic notch and maybe compressor,
but this depents on the source. for example
there are alot tutorials on youtube for this.
but lately i was thinking about all this stuff and i would use
simple good samples now, because i dont have the time for
hours of tweaking and it kills the inspiration.
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supergroover
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Posted : Oct 20, 2011 09:33
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Setting up a send effect with a distortion can also give it some nice fatness.. Make sure to highpass (and maybe lowpass) the distortion in the send channel to keep things tidy.
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Oni Katsu
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Posted : Oct 27, 2011 13:30
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Get sylenth1
tweak the moog bass preset to death
Do NOT add any compressors or EQ's, maybe just one overdrive distortion unit. Set the values to 0 and ajust the volume since it flattens the dynamic range and gives the bass just a tiiiny little warming boost. pretty pretty sound.
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Posted : Oct 27, 2011 20:00
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Oct 28, 2011 19:45
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Oct 30, 2011 17:55
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My 2 Cents
I like to get it just so in the synth.
Really understanding how to tweak a bass patch in a synth can take years - even if you are going for a 'standard' one osc one filter sound. It takes practice and a lot of it.
On EQ.
I HP all may basses well below the fundamental, as steeply as possible in the 20-30hz area. I do not HP to change the tone of the bass but to remove any DC or DC like component in the sound which while it doesn't alter the sound can affect overall headroom on the mix. If I can hear the HP affecting either the phase or freq volumes then IMO it is too high and I move it lower.
If I wish to alter the fundamental freq volume (which is not uncommon) I tend to go for a shelf as I find it easier to get a consistent tone if I wish to change note this way.
I'll often put it a broad notch in the 200-500hz area (can't really be more precise, the exact freq varies) - not only does this help control boxines in the tone, it accentuates bass and upper freqs in it too - which will help it sound bigger IMO. I would say that a little EQ goes a long way - if you are taking out many dB of gain in this region ... the sound almost certainly isn't right in the synth. -3dB gain in a broad EQ is a LOT of cut Try to use as few EQ bands as possible - the more that go on ... the worse the sound. Its a fine balancing act, and having a bypass switch on your EQ is vital - have you actually improved the sound or just given yourself a different set of different problems? When you turn an EQ on or off, try not to listen to the area of the spectrum you were working on, but the whole sound and how it now works in the mix. When you identify a problem that needs EQ, you hear a specific thing, but if you correct that, you need to listen to the 'finished product' as it were.
On the top end I typically apply a very shallow high shelf. Often it is impossible to get exactly the frequency response one needs out of a given filter, although it does 95% of the sound right, ie good resonance characteristics, right snap etc etc etc. A shallow HS can help shape the bass uppers to fit with the kick and the rest of the mix. Sometimes I put a LP on top of that very high up, but more and more I think this is me misprogramming the bass in the first place, the HS however, IMO can make a massive difference no matter how well programmed the synth patch is.
I sidechain compress to kick, but don't typically directly compress my basses.
I'd strongly suggest that as the amp envelope on a synth is literally performing very low freq AM on the original signal, every bass should go through a HP - It doesn't need to directly affect the sound - its a 'guard'. The envelope WILL generate sidebands, and these WILL eat headroom. A very low HP will remove these and should always be employed. If it is steep enough and low enough, it won't affect the tone of the signal.
I've never understood why anyone would want to take the fundamental out of their bass note. It just makes mixing more difficult and sound worse IMO ... IMO ... IMO
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 30, 2011 19:47
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you ever had dc in a plugin when making bassline? never checked it but i guess most synths have a filter to prevent this ?
that intresting about the envelop eating headroom, did you get problem like this with ace? this synth eat a lot of headroom i thought cause of the dc filter and big phase shift but i m wondering if it could have something to do with this too |
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Oct 30, 2011 19:56
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Most synths use bandlimited wavetables to generate tones ... every synth I've ever used generates harmonic content on an analyzer with no HP in the signal below the fundamental frequency of the wavetable. This can come from the envelopes anywhere, or even the filter itself!
The problem increases if you don't use a phase retriggering oscillator. I'm not saying don't use free-running, I'm just pointing out the issue here.
Amplfying a signal through an envelope is by definition amplitude modulation, and to the best of my knowledge the amp envelope is the last thing that most synths go through - as this creates very low frequencies, it makes sense to place a HP after it.
But, if the HP is very low and very steep, neither phase nor freq of the desired signal will be affected - lovely .
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 30, 2011 20:02
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i think it s what urs did in ace , placing a steep filter at the output but it eat lot of headrooms it seems, maybe it s not well implemented ? |
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