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Domestic Bass (please read before flaming)
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 14, 2006 12:43
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i m sure you can be close with pentagon and compression,small ratio and lot of gain reduction. |
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AvS
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Posted : Nov 14, 2006 15:37
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The Flaming Dart bass is definelty multiband or waves maxxbass wich sounds kind similar to multiband compression. Personally think it sounds like grap.
I think most of his bass sounds like ESM or Nordlead but i bet you can make the same bass with lots of synths. |
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Akousma
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Posted : Nov 14, 2006 18:09
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On 2006-11-14 10:05, Domi wrote:
..hey dudes
first, es-m totally rules ! lol. domestic basslines are not from this world..!! i think he uses scorpion a lot
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man es m rocks hard but as that guy said the best thing is to sample es m Cycles( not entirely notes).i do use samplers instead of propper plugins for basses..and the advantage of this is that u can use every single device for this.simply snatch like one sec of sound in C3(in this case es m or any other,trilogy es 1 tau etc etc)then in your editor capture one cycle (Saw)/|/ or (saw)|\| and use it in the es 24 in loop continuous.attach tje filter env with ure env 1 and boom ,all the basses without that attack problem that most virtual analogue synths have.hope this is usefull.if not just kik me!!!(",)
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 16, 2006 13:24
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with nice eq no need to worry u can make melodic bass , try hp filter and some rBass.. fake the bass power 
as well you can try hard reduction 100hz-150hz it makes special effect and very easy to make melodic line with that www.sattelbattle.com
http://yoavweinberg.weebly.com/ |
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maggot
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Posted : Nov 17, 2006 08:13
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pls explain hard reduction .. is it just clipping soem dbs in that freq range ? if so .. how much ? 2 - 3 .. 5 - 6 ?
if its reducing dbs at all  .. anyway .. look fwd to knowing what it is .. thank you |
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Nov 17, 2006 12:36
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 17, 2006 12:58
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Maggot - just what it says, hard reduce, you reduce the frequencies around 100-150hz, meaning that you dont allow alot of lowend bass. which makes it easier to play around in many tones without the bass getting too uncontrolled in the lowend.
when you do like this on bass you dont have to worry about the bass getting too emphased and "hummish" when you touch certain notes... and you can have a stable phat kick that takes care of the whole bass spectrum. and the bass wont interfere with kick casue these frequencies are hard reduced...
i guess you could also use a multiband compressor for maybe extra controll of certain frequencies.
this can work wonder on a legato bass, that always hum and change tone.. the trick is to find the freq curve that makes it solid without it interfering with the kick..
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 17, 2006 13:32
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a note on the "Fake the bass power" this is essential if you want a clean loud sound...
too much bass energy and you will notice how the bass gets uncontrolled when you turn the volume up. for a solid pumping bass you need to cut the bass at the right place, and the kicks pitch and the bass pitch must be a unit.. work together.
its not uncommon to cut the bass very much and instead maximize it, and put emphasis on low mid freqs, while the kick has free space to boom..
i must say that "system nipel - deep into matter" album is very nice and pumping.. check it out, very solid bass...
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illusions
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Posted : Nov 17, 2006 15:34
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key/note choice does help quite a bit here too. the fundamental frequency of the note your playing should'nt be too low (where you can't hear it), or too high (where it loses it's low end). |
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Nov 17, 2006 17:07
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Ido (Domestic)
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 13:42
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hey all!
just wanted to help a bit and give some tips
first of all i think the most important is to get the best tweaking out of yr original source - meaning the synth should be very carfully adjusted , sometimes a good tweaking can make u leave the bass without any eqs and any other plugs and it will just sound perfect.
take for example the es1 which is very stable and very phat and u can almost use it as it is once its good tweaked - meaning the the envelopes and fiter should get extra care
if yr using a sampler make sure u sample the bass only after its perfectly tweaked for yr ears cuz u will never get the bass sound phat if u gonna try using the sampler's filter and envelopes.
also try to take like 8 samples from each note and choose which is the best sounding envelopewise , cuz most of the times the synths just fuck the envelopes at that low frequencies.
most of the times if the bass sounds right u will not have a problem with high notes losing the low end - if that happens it means either the sound is not good tweaked enough or u tried to fix it with some eqs that from one hand made it better but from the other hand many frequncies just got fucked and u are no longer get a natural sound.
u need to try to make the bass sound the most natural - eqs can sometimes be tricky - can make it sound good and bad for other frequncies.
its very importnat to use good eqs such as urs eqs, hydratone , uad pultec and voxengo gliss eq.
dont use the crappy waves:) sorry waves
try to use voxengo as a surgery eq for small q's and for a specific frequency fix,
and eq's like uad pultec and urs for boosting frequencies that u like at the original source and wanna make it warmer, 100hz and 60hz usually sound very good for this kind of process.
a good compression is always good and makes the bass more stable at all notes, also important to use quality ones such as uad 1176 or urs compressors.
try a compression when the ratio is between 2 to 4 and the release is at about 10 to 20%
and the attack is at about 60 to 90ms so u'll get a lil punch for the bass.
of course it can change for each kind of bass sound but this is a good setting to start from.
quadrafuzz is also very good sometimes for somekind of multiband eq , just load the first preset and change the crossover points, u can sometimes get a realy good phaze for the bass by that and it also make it more stable.
waves r-bass makes the sound very phat sometimes when u use it between 32hz and 60hz but just a lil bit on the gain so it would still sound natural, i mostly put the fader on -24 to -20 make it sound really warm
synths i use for basses mostly are esm , es1 , cronox 2(not 3)and trilogy.
bass on flaming dart is cronox 2 with qudrafuzz and some urs eqs and compressors
most important - use yr earsss!! numbers will never tell u if the sound is good or not
just listen alot! to music over and over again and try to understand and just tweak the knobs to all directions until u get it right .
best way to learn is to teach yourself!
just listen alot and try everything u can think of.
sorry if this was too long:) cheers
.ParadoX Rocks. |
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 18:55
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Wow what more could you ask for, advice from the man himself! Thanks a lot for the awesome tips, wish other producers would be as generous as you are and help out struggling producers..Big respect ido!
http://www.soundcloud.com/getafixmusic |
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 18:59
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Thanks for the tips man ,do you use lot of gain reduction with the compressor on your bassline?i have always afraid to compress too much , i know it s all about the ears but if you can give me some tips , i aim usally to -4 to -6 db of reduction but it sounds with more dynamic range than most cd. |
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Adrenal Mode
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 19:21
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On 2006-11-22 18:59, PoM wrote:
i know it s all about the ears
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you got yourself an answer 
some tips for compression:
check your inputs
check your bass level and then use the gain reduction
always look on the VU mater
lets say your bass is -10db so set the threshhold to 14,15. or till its sounds good |
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Freakuency
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 22:05
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WAW Domestic himself !!!
I'm gonna save this post and always refer to it when I'm mixing. It would be super duper nice of you if u could give us some pointers on kick drums? Do u layer them, or u just use kicks u found in libraries? or mayhaps u make them in Soundforge?
Your answer is very important to me cuz it will point me to the right direction.
tons of thanks |
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