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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Mar 16, 2012 05:07:09
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Like ten years ago even 15 like in 95'.So in America i can see it being easy.I live in Israel and i only know of one store in Tel Aviv that sells stuff for Electronic Music Production.And people who live in other countries?How did people get DAw's before interent was huge?Thanks.
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OzMike
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Posted : Mar 16, 2012 05:29
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I heard it was with great difficulty, expense and some very sore backs from lugging the huge amounts of gear around!! |
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DETOX
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Posted : Mar 16, 2012 10:17
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It was easy to get access on music hardware as long as you had the cash to do so.
Thats why the people that were into electronic music production before the millenium were serious people that had music knowledge and invested money and time. And usually the result was good because when you combine hard work, knowledge, the right equipment and love for something then the outcome has to be good.
Back in 1998-1999 i was living in Athens, Greece and since i was so excited about psy trance and dance music in general (i was just 17 years old) i decided to start producing music so i visited a big music store in the centre of the city that had a special section for electronic music (they also gave special lessons in order to learn how to use the software and hardware).
I remember that in order to buy a new powerful computer with a good soundtrack i needed something like 2000 dollars (euro didnt exist at that time and the price reflects the ammount of greek drachma they asked me back then transformed into the price of the dollar back then) which at the time was a huge ammount for Greece (monthly wages were 500 dollars which was around 170-180 thousand drachmas). Also i had to spent a big ammount of money for studio monitors and a sampler (dont remember the ammount of money for these two) and ofcourse i had to spend money for my first synth.
The guy suggested me a yellow Waldorf Q that had a price of 3500 dollars which ofcourse was very very expensive. People who werent rich and at the same time really serious about the whole thing couldnt and shouldnt afford such equipment.
Although i had like 10 thousand dollars at that time i found it stupid to invest all my money for something that i didnt have a clue about and that i might got bored sooner or later. So i never got involved with music production.
In my humble opinion (and many will dissagree with me) i preferred it back in those days when not everybody could get involved with music production because of lack of knowledge and/or funds. It was a harsh and unfair way to filter out the serious from the not so serious producers but at least it was effective.
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Boulevard
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Posted : Mar 16, 2012 12:13
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I agree with Detox that it was very expensive back then to own any electronic stuff. Very honestly I too wanted to make music and just electronic music. Maybe one day I will too make a crappy track however for once I want to give it a shot and see how it turns out.
Music really had soul back then. You could actually figure out the hardwork one has put into making a track when you heard it and the creativity was just awesome.
When greater technology comes greater crap.  Kidding.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 16, 2012 19:02
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There were no DAWs back then, only MIDI sequencers that triggered synths, samplers and multichannel ADAT/Hard Disk recorders.
Then the whole thing was mixed through an analog mixer and recorded onto DAT.
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orange
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Posted : Mar 16, 2012 21:43
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On 2012-03-16 10:17, DETOX wrote:
It was easy to get access on music hardware as long as you had the cash to do so.
Thats why the people that were into electronic music production before the millenium were serious people that had music knowledge and invested money and time. And usually the result was good because when you combine hard work, knowledge, the right equipment and love for something then the outcome has to be good.
Back in 1998-1999 i was living in Athens, Greece and since i was so excited about psy trance and dance music in general (i was just 17 years old) i decided to start producing music so i visited a big music store in the centre of the city that had a special section for electronic music (they also gave special lessons in order to learn how to use the software and hardware).
I remember that in order to buy a new powerful computer with a good soundtrack i needed something like 2000 dollars (euro didnt exist at that time and the price reflects the ammount of greek drachma they asked me back then transformed into the price of the dollar back then) which at the time was a huge ammount for Greece (monthly wages were 500 dollars which was around 170-180 thousand drachmas). Also i had to spent a big ammount of money for studio monitors and a sampler (dont remember the ammount of money for these two) and ofcourse i had to spend money for my first synth.
The guy suggested me a yellow Waldorf Q that had a price of 3500 dollars which ofcourse was very very expensive. People who werent rich and at the same time really serious about the whole thing couldnt and shouldnt afford such equipment.
Although i had like 10 thousand dollars at that time i found it stupid to invest all my money for something that i didnt have a clue about and that i might got bored sooner or later. So i never got involved with music production.
In my humble opinion (and many will dissagree with me) i preferred it back in those days when not everybody could get involved with music production because of lack of knowledge and/or funds. It was a harsh and unfair way to filter out the serious from the not so serious producers but at least it was effective.
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sorry mike but this is a bit ignorant and a tad unfair for a response..
what about all those guys that had lots of talent but didnt had the cash?
these guys had a terrible and hard time to get the necessary equipment to make some tunes.
i remember my self back in 96 when i got my first atari 520st and my first midi sequencer to use with a borrowed roland jx3p and get the cash for the pg200 programmer was a huge pita.. i dont even want to remember what i did to get the Roland JV-1080 Super JV and the E-mu ESI-32 sampler.
music isnt only for the rich and powerfull or well educated.. and lots of shitty music was produced back then also cos of some rich dudes with no talent but lots of equipment.
the only real difference now is that every noob/untalented can upload his music in the net and promote him self like the next superstar.
back then the only real filter was the labels and the quality of the stuff they released.
something that now doesn't really apply.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 16, 2012 22:40
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+1. The problem is not that the technology is available to people with no cash, the problem is that there are tons of labels releasing any crap they can get their hands on. Which for some people this is not a problem at all, as some people do like crap music.
Peace out.
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Outolintu
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Posted : Mar 16, 2012 22:45
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can't really grasp the ignorance of this topic.
has jacynth hijacked your account? 
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Upavas
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 02:26
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The reason why I did not start making electronic music in 1987 but in 2003 is simple, computers, software and the likes made it cheap enough for me to buy into it. Would I like to own vintage hardware like Mood Modular and the likes, hell yeah, but I still cannot afford it.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 06:28
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On 2012-03-16 19:02, Nectarios wrote:
There were no DAWs back then, only MIDI sequencers that triggered synths, samplers and multichannel ADAT/Hard Disk recorders.
Then the whole thing was mixed through an analog mixer and recorded onto DAT.
Peace out.
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I can't conceptualize how such intricate music was produced without DAWs.
I hear music from the mid 90s and I am just in awe of how that was all set up and configured so nicely considering what was at hand.
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OzMike
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 10:11
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I was only speaking from experience helping a friend setup a studio in the mid 90's.
I wanted to make music back then as well but a synth and all the other gear for a basic studio here in Australia was more expensive than my first car (second hand but good quality car).
It really hurt me as I had much fun & many good times at my friends studio but it was interstate so only got to go a few times a year.
Even dj gear here back then was $$$ which is why I did not even DJ until early 2000's.
Now I have other commitments in life to making music, sad but true.
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DETOX
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 10:20
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On 2012-03-16 10:17, DETOX wrote:
In my humble opinion (and many will dissagree with me) i preferred it back in those days when not everybody could get involved with music production because of lack of knowledge and/or funds. It was a harsh and unfair way to filter out the serious from the not so serious producers but at least it was effective.
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Dear Orange which part of this quote you didnt understand exactly?
Didnt i already mentioned that this was HARSH AND UNFAIR for some people BUT IN MY HUMBLE OPINION this was effective?
Sorry but the only ignorance seems to be coming from your side for accusing me of not aknowledging something that i have already stated and explained in my original post.
Please next time at least bother to BOTH read and understand my posts before commenting on them positively or negatively.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 10:59
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On 2012-03-17 06:28, willsanquil wrote:
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On 2012-03-16 19:02, Nectarios wrote:
There were no DAWs back then, only MIDI sequencers that triggered synths, samplers and multichannel ADAT/Hard Disk recorders.
Then the whole thing was mixed through an analog mixer and recorded onto DAT.
Peace out.
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I can't conceptualize how such intricate music was produced without DAWs.
I hear music from the mid 90s and I am just in awe of how that was all set up and configured so nicely considering what was at hand.
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I remember having to down sample, monofy the least important samples to save up on memory for the most important stereo samples on the AKAI S1100, limited by 16 Midi channels from Cubase and doing group takes of passages of music, recorded that on an Alesis ADAT, in order to have more channels, but that rarely happened as music was really simple in terms of edits and lots of channels, it was more about a few good sounds, playng a few good notes and endless filter tweaking.
2 Auxes, meant one reverb and one delay effect... that was it...I didn't have to worry about where I'd high pass tracks, it was the standard 75hz button on the desk 
Tunes/arrangements were saved on floopy disk...
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orange
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 13:26
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On 2012-03-17 10:20, DETOX wrote:
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On 2012-03-16 10:17, DETOX wrote:
In my humble opinion (and many will dissagree with me) i preferred it back in those days when not everybody could get involved with music production because of lack of knowledge and/or funds. It was a harsh and unfair way to filter out the serious from the not so serious producers but at least it was effective.
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Dear Orange which part of this quote you didnt understand exactly?
Didnt i already mentioned that this was HARSH AND UNFAIR for some people BUT IN MY HUMBLE OPINION this was effective?
Sorry but the only ignorance seems to be coming from your side for accusing me of not aknowledging something that i have already stated and explained in my original post.
Please next time at least bother to BOTH read and understand my posts before commenting on them positively or negatively.
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so this removes me the right to DEBATE and JUDGE your opinion that is presented in a PUBLIC forum that is open for discussion?
i find your humble opinion that you already stated is harsh and unfair.... mm.. wrong.
i dont agree with your arguments and i present mine in a democratic fashion..
quoting your self wont make me understand your writings better, it will just make me repeat my self.
i find your opinion capitalistic and ignorant cos its an assumption and not a fact.
im not attacking you as a person.. just your opinion on this subject.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 13:48
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When I read Detox's post I understood that although it was harsh for people who were not wealthy enough to get involved with music production, their inability to buy into music production, was an effective filter of shit music and for that matter (and although there was bad music even back then), I will agree with him, it was an effective filter.
Although I do believe that a pile of shit music, is worth a poor, yet super talented kid getting involved with music and doing something spectacular that will change this scene for the better....its just that this has yet to happen.
Peace out.
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