Upavas
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 20:46
Yeah? And what about Cosma then?
I don't like elitist views like that, almost everyone starts out crappy (usually) and then works on until something nice comes out.
I think it is great that music gear has become cheaper, so you don't have to be rich in order to start making electronic music, it gives so many talented people a possibility to do something nice. And lets be honest, until the 90ies the electronic music was (as far as quality is concerned) pretty crappy, with a few exceptions... and even those are not too good compared to today's standard...
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 20:50
I will "defend" my opinion with just one question.
The scene passed through both timelines and situations.
First when hardware and computers were really hard to get access to due to lack of funds and music knowledge and Second the today's situation where computers, hardware and software are easy and very cheap to find and everybody can start "producing" music from his bedroom with no hardware at all even.
I wonder which period of time you think was better for the psy trance scene AND I WONDER WHERE ALL THE TALENTS THAT COULDNT MAKE MUSIC BACK in 1996-2000 BECAUSE OF LUCK AND FUNDS AND HARDWARE ARE NOW BECAUSE I DONT SEE MANY GROUND BREAKING TALENTS AROUND EXCEPT PEOPLE WHO COPY THE OLD ARTISTS IN A BAD WAY AND INTRODUCE NOTHING NEW TO THE SCENE. And thats a fact dear Orange.
Harsh filtering and some elitism, capitalism or whatever you want to name it is not always bad. Psy Trance Music Production is one of those cases.
And the same applies to creating a new music label which was the second stage of filtering music back in those days and which in our days has also dissapeared since everybody can set up a label (legal or illegal) through his bedroom. And funnily enough most labels are set up from people who just release their own music since noone else would want to release it......
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 20:55
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WHERE ALL THE TALENTS THAT COULDNT MAKE MUSIC BACK in 1996-2000 ...
DETOX
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 20:58
Cosma was tutored by Domestic and Erez of Infected Mushroom and was working constantly in studios with hardware when he started producing serious music. Only his debut album as Diablo was created mainly on computers. I had a discussion about the whole thing with him back in December 2002 in a party in Athens just some months before his accident.
And by the way he died in early 2003 before the today's situation exploded where every kid with a computer can produce music. Back in 2000-2003 internet was still very slow and not everyone could afford a pc.Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 21:03
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On 2012-03-17 20:50, DETOX wrote:
I will "defend" my opinion with just one question.
The scene passed through both timelines and situations.
First when hardware and computers were really hard to get access to due to lack of funds and music knowledge and Second the today's situation where computers, hardware and software are easy and very cheap to find and everybody can start "producing" music from his bedroom with no hardware at all even.
I wonder which period of time you think was better for the psy trance scene AND I WONDER WHERE ALL THE TALENTS THAT COULDNT MAKE MUSIC BACK in 1996-2000 BECAUSE OF LUCK AND FUNDS AND HARDWARE ARE NOW BECAUSE I DONT SEE MANY GROUND BREAKING TALENTS AROUND EXCEPT PEOPLE WHO COPY THE OLD ARTISTS IN A BAD WAY AND INTRODUCE NOTHING NEW TO THE SCENE. And thats a fact dear Orange.
You did not add a question mark and then you went on saying that is fact, which is not a question really...but anyway, silly semantics and joking aside..
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Harsh filtering and some elitism, capitalism or whatever you want to name it is not always bad. Psy Trance Music Production is one of those cases.
And the same applies to creating a new music label which was the second stage of filtering music back in those days and which in our days has also dissapeared since everybody can set up a label (legal or illegal) through his bedroom. And funnily enough most labels are set up from people who just release their own music since noone else would want to release it......
This is true, BUT, it does not stop the people who are serious and spend a lot of money on hardware and education to continue making the music they were making back then.
If anything, the "trendsetters" of yesterdays are still able to make the same or better, quality of music they have had us listeners, used to.
The fact that everyone and their dogs being able to make music on a laptop (not saying that is bad, people can make brilliant music on a laptop) and then set up a label and release a load of shite, just means that there is a lot of shite along with the good stuff.
Which is "normal" when you get the number of people that are making music, grow exponentially...especially when all they have to do is copy other people's sounds and re-arrange them and the reason they are doing that is because they simply can.
Thus more people make music, they can't get their music released by a decent label, so they just release it them selves.
Even tho, as a listener and even tho I have to shift through *a lot* of shit music to find something I like, I would not want circumstances that would prevent anyone from doing something they love, even tho if that means me bothering more because of it.
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 21:16
Its a big story Nectarios which i cant analyse through this.
The results of the easy access to everyone on music production are more complex than most people understand and the amateur bad producers out there are so big in numbers that affect the good producers too.
Not easy to find good music anymore because of the countless releases and no filtering, most difficult for producers to get live gigs because of new guys accepting to play average music for no money in hopes that they will become superstars in the future etc etc etc.
I stopped checking the new releases on Psyshop and Saikosounds long time ago because there were 30 new cds every week with people i didnt know and i couldnt spend time listening 4-5 cds a day to see who worths it and who doesnt, especially when 95% didnt worth it and made the whole experience preety painful.
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 17, 2012 21:19
And although it is not psy-trance, a prime example of making this technology available to young people with just a computer, is Burial.
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On 22 July 2008, The Guardian reported that Burial was a nominee for the 2008 Mercury Music Prize.[12] NME reported on 31 July 2008 that Burial was the favourite for the award.[13] After much Mercury Prize-related coverage in tabloid newspapers in the UK, including speculation that Burial was either Richard D. James (Aphex Twin) or Norman Cook,[citation needed] Burial confirmed The Independent's information and posted a picture of himself on his MySpace page on 5 August 2008. A blog entry stated, "I'm a lowkey person and I just want to make some tunes, nothing else", as well as announcing a forthcoming four-track 12″, and thanking his fans for their support up to this point. On 9 September 2008, Elbow won the award in question.
Bevan claims to compose nearly all his music in SoundForge, a digital audio editor, and to eschew the use of trackers and sequencers.
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Posted : Mar 18, 2012 05:19
i remember when I was first itching to produce some tunes, my friend and I went to the music store and realized we needed 5 or 10 thousand dollars to start out. we were broke ass hippies though, so we talked about robbing the store, but obviously (since i'm talking about it here) we came to the conclusion that it wouldn't work, we talked about selling *things* but again decided it wouldn't work out. my friend even thought about getting his toe surgically removed and reattached by medical students for $10,000. eventually, though, someone gave us a computer with some software and that solved the whole issue.
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Posted : Mar 18, 2012 09:00
Makes sense, the best music and period for psytrance was from 97-2000 IMO.
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Posted : Mar 18, 2012 14:15
the thing is you could have the cash to buy equipment if you have talent... you could start making tunes with not much and then build your studio with the money you make with the music , that what i have seen with some older friend that started it early with ataris
a today good computer a sequencer and few plugins cost probably as much than what was needed back in the day to make a few first tunes and make money . (maybe not goa trance as you need synths , fx...and it was not there yet or just the begining but techno and break you didn t needed much equipment to release a tune and get some cash and buy new equipments)
good old days with atari and akai sampler haha ! it was like voodoo magic for me as a total noob..
you could get great deal too when goa trance was big. some labels could give budget to buy some equipments for a album stuff like this
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Posted : Mar 18, 2012 18:21
The best innovators are always the ones who squeeze awesome sounds out of very limited equipment
In fact that is how house and techno (and therefore trance) got started. Disco fans who couldn't afford a drum set or access to a recording studio, so they did what they could with drum machines.
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There is a lot to be said about the inspiration that can be found in gear that provide a limited pallete of sounds.
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Posted : Mar 19, 2012 01:09
Well I have a friend who still plays his gigs here one melbkurne using his 2x303's, 1x909 & 1x808 running through a mixing deck. No computer or anything, all done on the fly & he gets some of the biggest reactions, he builds up some really epic sounds.
His only complaint is that it's expensive to keep the gear running perfectly (he can do a lot himself but the parts can cost a lot), and that carrying all that gear to a gig is a bit of a pain but IMO he has so much more fun than just usin a laptop or dj gear.
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On 2012-03-17 20:50, DETOX wrote:
I will "defend" my opinion with just one question.
The scene passed through both timelines and situations.
First when hardware and computers were really hard to get access to due to lack of funds and music knowledge and Second the today's situation where computers, hardware and software are easy and very cheap to find and everybody can start "producing" music from his bedroom with no hardware at all even.
I wonder which period of time you think was better for the psy trance scene AND I WONDER WHERE ALL THE TALENTS THAT COULDNT MAKE MUSIC BACK in 1996-2000 BECAUSE OF LUCK AND FUNDS AND HARDWARE ARE NOW BECAUSE I DONT SEE MANY GROUND BREAKING TALENTS AROUND EXCEPT PEOPLE WHO COPY THE OLD ARTISTS IN A BAD WAY AND INTRODUCE NOTHING NEW TO THE SCENE. And thats a fact dear Orange.
Harsh filtering and some elitism, capitalism or whatever you want to name it is not always bad. Psy Trance Music Production is one of those cases.
And the same applies to creating a new music label which was the second stage of filtering music back in those days and which in our days has also dissapeared since everybody can set up a label (legal or illegal) through his bedroom. And funnily enough most labels are set up from people who just release their own music since noone else would want to release it......
to answer your question i believe the best times of psytrance are today.. or next year or any year after now... just cos psy is in a constant evolution, maybe not the best one for our old tastes bu i think with every year is getting better and better... as long as you can find it among all the shit around.....
but now im coming to my argument over your "fact" witch in reality is again "your" fact not a general or universally accepted standard.. its just your opinion of what is a fact.
the music you used to like back then and the psy trance you first listened is what defined your taste in psy for all the following years until today.. so you judge (like we all do based on a personal preference over the kind of psy we like) with the stuff you liked and like.. but that doesn't mean that your shitty psy isnt another guys gold.
back then.. in the first years of psy alot of crap was also out.. but again you dont know what was crap for me or what gold cos, again it was a personal preference.
again this is my opinion and not common sense or opinion.. but i find illogical to say that elitism and knowledge was a good thing back then, i believe if the technology was availabel to the people as easy as it is today but not the easiness today provide we still would get some awesome tunes but alot of shitty ones as today.. the only difference between those 2 times would be the easy access to publicity and labels.
