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hippys vs psytrancers

KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 17:37
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On 2005-11-24 17:19, ganjagil wrote:
when you go to a festival and you expect really something spiritual like before and you find that the music that is being played is not at all spiritual



Wow.. Excuse me I'm quoting again I'm just amazed when i read this.. I can't believe it..

Spiritual Music ? what the... ? Who can define what music is spiritual and what is not ?

And above all since when does the bpm of a track defines its spirituality ??

This is offtopic now but woooooooow... I'm just dumbfounded now..

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On 2005-11-24 17:19, ganjagil wrote:
i have seen people breaking other peoples cameras during a special moment in the dancefloor because it was not the place nor the time to take pictures



yeah SURE !! VERY spiritual behaviour.. Bunch of assholes yes !!

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On 2005-11-24 17:19, ganjagil wrote:
during a special moment



And these guys have the "power" to define a moment to be "special" or not hein ?? That's just crazy..

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On 2005-11-24 17:10, Spasm wrote:
everyone but DJ psyberpunk from switzerland who was stoned (stones were throwned at him, dont get me wrong) during his preformance in BOOM2004 by hippies that dont like music under 140bpm.



And this precisaly SHOWS how ignorant these people are.. The PsyberPunk team is well known to be really "cool" people, and a visit of their website is enough already to realize it..
Didn't know about this story, Spasm, I feel so sorry for him..

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Acidhive
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 17:42
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On 2005-11-24 17:19, ganjagil wrote:
You know it is a very delicate subject i think when you go to a festival and you expect really something spiritual like before and you find that the music that is being played is not at all spiritual well some people react in different ways, i am not saying i agree with throwing stones but i have seen people breaking other peoples cameras during a special moment in the dancefloor because it was not the place nor the time to take pictures it was a time to celebrate and be one and think about nothing. I am not saying this is right either but all i am saying is that when you love and know were we can go with music it sometimes makes you angry that because of other people it is ruined...

Bom
Ganja




Doesn't that totally contradict with the hippie ways of viewing life? They respect people don't they? Breaking someone's camera isn't my idea of respect.

Anyway, that aside: I'm in this scene since 1997, but I definately don't consider myself a hippie. I'm in this purely for the music. I never go to parties, and since I've been on this forum and getting to know some of the people that are into this scene (and specifically the party side) I can say I'm very glad I never came face to face with some of them.

This forum has actually totally changed the way I see the people that listen to this music. Apart from a few exceptions it is my opinion that most people in this scene are very hypocritical. A lot of the people on here are always bragging about themselves to be kind, loving people, 'unify the spirit with the body this, PLUR that'. P.L.U.R. my ass. Most of the people here have absolutely no respect for each other. When someone comes with a different opinion all the PLUR goes out the window and you start flaming them on the spot. Throwing with adolescent insults and petty remarks. Also, some people here seem to like to 'enforce' people to use drugs as to 'experience' the music better. Who the fuck are you to tell others how to enjoy music? Has it ever occurred to you some people don't take drugs out of choice?? Fuck, basic human thinking, yet still it goes wrong in some people's heads.

Ahem. I seem to be getting offtopic, but this is something I just had to get off my chest.

Oh, and: feeling offended? Good. Then let it sink in and think about some of my remarks. If you still have something to say then I'll be glad to answer. But don't get all heated up and slag me off, then you would only be proving my point.
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 18:12
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On 2005-11-24 17:42, Acidhive wrote:
But don't get all heated up and slag me off, then you would only be proving my point.



You're the one getting all "heated-up", at every second topic .
You can believe anything you wan't, as long as you let others do the same.



The dancefloor used to be a magiKal arena, however, it mostly isn't anymore! I understand you GanjaGil, people can write what ever they like, it will not change the fact that the magiK has left the gatherings. Yet, some fetivals still seem to be able to produce a magiKal exp.

Nevertheless, violence is the exact opposite of what this scene was and should be about.


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ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 18:21
I agree with you guys that violence is not the way at all at any moment it is wrong, to this i agree. To music as not being spiritual well to this i utmostly disagree and people who say so it's because they did not experience what is the reality fo this culture or what used to be anyway. Goa was built on spirituality and still lives inside people like me who cherish those moments and work to get them back sorry for off topic hippies today are obviously changed but i assume that there still exist in everyone of us who live for this culture, it is infact a hippy community a better way of life in my opinion this is trance also.

Bom
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 18:28
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On 2005-11-24 18:21, ganjagil wrote:
I agree with you guys that violence is not the way at all at any moment it is wrong, to this i agree. To music as not being spiritual well to this i utmostly disagree and people who say so it's because they did not experience what is the reality fo this culture or what used to be anyway. Goa was built on spirituality and still lives inside people like me who cherish those moments and work to get them back sorry for off topic hippies today are obviously changed but i assume that there still exist in everyone of us who live for this culture, it is infact a hippy community a better way of life in my opinion this is trance also.

Bom
Ganja



People have simply forgotten the roots of the movement.
Thus, the music is becoming worse and worse, and, most of the newcomers are full of EGO and superficiality.

The situation will not improve, until people go back to the roots. In-the-mean-time, we can do our part, by starting personal revolutions, in ones home or wherever!

YES, spiritual music exists, an example?
Adham Shaikh!!!


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Pt.
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 18:30
Spiritualism in our scene is realy positiv, and it helps our music to stay "special". But to be honest, fuck spiritualism. I just want the music to be dripping with psychedelic. It need to be trippy, and last but not least. Tripper friendly. Not friendly like "nice". But friendly as "this music will send you to another dimention, for shure!".
Acidhive
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 18:40
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On 2005-11-24 18:30, Kire-naj wrote:
Spiritualism in our scene is realy positiv, and it helps our music to stay "special". But to be honest, fuck spiritualism. I just want the music to be dripping with psychedelic. It need to be trippy, and last but not least. Tripper friendly. Not friendly like "nice". But friendly as "this music will send you to another dimention, for shure!".




I couldn't give a fuck about the people in the scene. Just as long as this music continues to interest me I'll keep on listening to it. So far, this music has never let me down.           "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 00:47
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I just want the music to be dripping with psychedelic. It need to be trippy, and last but not least. Tripper friendly. Not friendly like "nice". But friendly as "this music will send you to another dimention, for shure!".



Absolutely love this phrase dripping with psychedelic!!! Intense and new sounds!

Bom
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al-esh-d

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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 04:34
" Psy-trancers VS Hippies " ?? !! ??
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jabba


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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 07:30
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On 2005-11-24 16:50, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
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On 2005-11-24 16:08, jabba wrote:
and do u seriously feel hippies are extreme right



Not at all, I was just reacting to the sentence I've quoted, and I didn't tell that Ganjagil was sharing their ideas either. Only the way the statement was written made me react. And yes you're right about politics but you know, I would not be able to think "white" about Music, and "black" about everything else including politics, that's what i wanted to show here. I like halfcasting in everyday life, and I like halfcasting in Music.



And once again I strongly believe that Psychedelic Trance is no way better than Techno or House or any other music style. Basta.

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On 2005-11-24 16:08, jabba wrote:
if u dont like hippies and their ideology then say it my bro u have all the right to say so and atleast i wont feel offended



I don't know at all what you're talking about here, I never wrote anywhere that I don't like hippies.. I even underlined earlier in the thread that they are the descendants of the Romantiscism cultural movement that appeared in the end of the XVIII century.. I don't think it's arguing that I don't like hippies when I'm writing this, do you think so ? The only thing is that the beginning of the hippie movement was not "new" neither "revolutionary".. Because their ideas were already existing in the Romanticism.

Voilą voilą..




@Kakoolalajwal mi bro i know your earlier remrks on hippies and romanticism ...... u did not get my post at all it was humour all the way .... just leg pulling after the statement didnt you see .... the laugh and the "take it light sign" no offenses or otherwise was meant .... may be expression needs a better way

actually to me the whole discussion seems futile ........ it has been discussed earlier as well either some times in adiffrent thread with a remrk on hippie or vice versa ....... when we using PLUR then what is there to like or dislike or to even think who is who and who is good better or best ............. and the topic's name itself HIPPY VS PSYTRANCE ................ are we small babies out of the playschool to say " My goo goo is better than your goo goo " kind of stuff ............ dont get me litrally but the whole thread makes me feel as if hippies and psytrancers are standing at different sides of the same road waiting for the same bus

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dirty 1

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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 18:23
psychedelic trance is usually enjoyed by hippies cos hippies take loads of psychedelics.
psy-trance does not mean psychedelic(it might as well be si-trance)and normally attracts the non freaky types.
thats my opininon.(ie,in brazil psy trance is for the rich and trendy,same in india,),where as in the uk psychedelic trance attracts the freaks(underground scene) where as psy-trance doesnt(ie antiworld)
dirty 1

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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 18:26
anyway...what is a hippy?thats a sixties thing isnt it.
i prefer "freaky types"

Nobita
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 18:56
Psy-trance stands for psychedelic-trance, as is made obvious from the song titles and album covers of psy-trance releases and the very nature of the music (what else does these ultra-flanged weird and tripped out elf-land melodies that are omni-present in psy tracks make one think of except of a powerful psychedelic experience?). I'm not a hippy, but a very peacefull mentality needs to be present in people that are in the scene, so that everyone can get into the music and trip/dance in harmony. This is not music to be drunk to and sream and mosh and get out of control (I go to metal concerts for that hehe), it's music to send you into another dimension. That story about the dj being stoned at Boom2004 is pretty shocking, I mean perhaps the music was really not appropriate for that particular time in the festival and it was bringing people down or something but if a hippy doesn't know how to accept change and not grasp after and get angry over the things they want... pretty sad indeed.          Row row row your boats gently down the stream; merrily merrily merrily merrily life is but a dream.
ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 30, 2005 00:13
Well i still think that actually people who love trance music have a little hippy inside just we are more advanced now in the wrong direction. This is due to the fact that we have had wrong leaders all the way since these last 3 years. Those producers who we beleived in so much were people only interested in fame and money, there were no producers who were really actually making music from the hearth and soul! and this is now reflecting in everything in the music, in the people they attracted, and in their attitude towards life. But in life Karma reigns and little by little people are getting more concious about what a fake situation they have created! it's all fake but my hope is high for a party far away were only people who really love this culture and live this psytrance / hippy life will be interested to go...One day i wish this party will happen when thousands of people become one and dance as one in one prayer to God!

bom
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furthur
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Posted : Nov 30, 2005 07:07
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On 2005-11-30 00:13, ganjagil wrote:
there were no producers who were really actually making music from the hearth and soul!


what are you talking about, ganja?
how can you be so generalizing?
i know you did not mean it the way i read it, but nevertheless.
there are loads of producers out there who put their heart and soul into this, and usually, all they get out of it is the satisfaction of seeing it released, not much more.
a little respect please for people that deserve respect.

it's all fake, you say?
i very often feel that way, but i do not fool myself into believing that it is transcendentally and independently of me fake, i see it as fake and it thus becomes it.
there is no need for a party far away for people to really love the music and everything that is involved.
actually, i have been struck dumb so many times by the vibe of people after having said so may times that the scene is dead.

stop wishing for thousand person parties, if these thousand ppl will become one ultimately, a one person party, where the person is truly one, should be enough as well.

i know you mean well, but do not become jaded, ganja

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