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PoM
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Posted : Jul 30, 2014 17:10
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On 2014-07-29 11:41, Blubberbert wrote:
Get a pair of DT-880 Pro tho they are a litte above your pricetag. They have a great resolution fast transients and are quite neutral. + you can work a whole day (with small breaks) without getting exhausted or pressure on the ears.



check akg 701 , better transients, details and clarity, sharper ,sound to me but less low/no low end

dt880 pro sound like they is tube gear in the path , it sound more rounded and less detailed compared to akg701 to me. i just compared these with ath m50 and akg 701 setting up compressors.
loki
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Posted : Jul 30, 2014 20:34
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On 2014-07-29 00:49, PoM wrote:
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On 2014-06-19 21:01, loki wrote:
Well... If price is no object ever...

http://www.audeze.com/products/headphones/lcd-2

Audeze LCD series... Orthodynamics... I own a pair and I gotta say, they are phenomenal. Amazing clarity of bass, great transients, not even remotely fatiguing (well, except that they are kind of heavy). And - they are fairly low impedance, so the headphone jack on my interface is just fine without an additional amp.




loki do you get good translation out of these? i guess they are good to set up kick bassline, was close to buy these years ago but there was no way to try..now i will check maybe it s possible



Yeah - translation is phenomenal. Never used another pair of headphones like 'em. Might as well be using speakers. If they weren't heavy, they would be nearly perfect.

Low end translation is as good as my Barefoots, the high end could use a couple tweaks, but not more than any other headphones; the transients translate perfectly.

Never heard bass before like that on any other cans.

Fucking heavy though.
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OzMike
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Posted : Jul 31, 2014 08:01
Wow. The LCD-3 goes for nearly $3K here in Australia. I could get some much more rewarding gear for that price. I guess if I could claim it as a business purchase it'd be ok but wow.           Revisiting the past.
PoM
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Posted : Jul 31, 2014 14:34
depend how good they are, monitoring matter so much i could see myself buying this insteed of a modular or some hardware eqs if these give great result ,but it s sure would be a less fun purchase
loki
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Posted : Aug 1, 2014 22:52
Wow, 3k? They are almost half that in Canada.

Well, still crazy expensive for headphones. But brutally good - and honest, where many high-end headphones (Seinheiser HD800, I'm looking at you) are flattering and therefor not ideal for monitoring.

The Audeze's are near perfect in their honesty, at least the lows and low-mids. Again, low-end is as good as the Barefoot MM27s I use in the studio, and those are nearly 10k mastering monitors.

But for practical everyday usage, AKG or even the lower-high-end Seinheisers are what I'd go for. My girlfriend just bought a pair of HD558 and they're pretty awesome semi-opens. Better than any other home speaker she's ever used, at any rate. HD600s are fantastic, but run $600. Again, even the HD600 are flattering, especially in the highs and lows. NOT ideal for monitoring.

I had a pair of Ultrasone for a while, too, I forget the model but in the $250 range. Hated them. Imaging was beautiful but the bass was fucked up and distorted; also, fatiguing as fuck.

The Senheiser HD558s and HD600s and 800s I've used are all a bit trebly, but not fatiguing at least. Also, super comfortable!

My roomate has a pair of Grados as well, which I DO find fatigueing, and are ABSOLUTELY NOT for monitoring/mixing. Lots of detail, sure, but if by "detail" you mean "giant EQ bump at 7khz and no low end whatsoever". I also think they sound compressed. Not what I would buy.

Heard good things about Denon for monitoring, especially bass.           Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. ~Kurt Vonnegut
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Babaluma
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Posted : Aug 2, 2014 17:44
I disagree with loki for the most part, which is why it's always best to try a few out with your own music, and just go for the ones you like!

I find the HD800s slightly more flattering than the HD600s, especially in the high end, but 800's mid range is just phenomenal. 600's are the flattest I've ever heard (haven't heard the Audeze so can't comment, but happy to be proved wrong, just not easy to come across a pair to try out in the EU). HD800's would be an ideal fit for mastering QC as they show up every little detail. I still prefer the HD600's though, they translate very well to my ATCs which cost about 25 times as much.

I don't know any pro ME's using Barefoots for mastering. Loads of mix engineers use them though.

I'd love to try the Audeze, but don't like the sound of how heavy/uncomfortable they might be. 800's the most comfortable cans I've ever worn, feels like ou are not wearing anything!

loki where are you based? Are you on FB? We should hang out some time!           http://hermetechmastering.com : http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gregg+Janman : http://soundcloud.com/babaluma
PoM
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Posted : Aug 2, 2014 19:18
i thought the hd 800 would be more revelaing/detailed /analitic than the audeze in mid/highs , it s seems the lcd2 is a bit dark according to measurment and review .
but that kind of heaphones that use this technlogie like on the audeze have some avantage, it s supposed to give better transients and timing information, its s faster and maybe better low end..frequency reponse is flat till deep low end.

would love to check these and some other from hifiman ect..

if you want some read
http://www.head-fi.org/t/496130/audeze-lcd2-vs-sennheiser-hd800/1365
Babaluma
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Posted : Aug 2, 2014 21:23
yep, read some of that before, but not gonna go through 92 pages worth! opinons are like arseholes, everybody's got one! wy it's always best to check with well known material yourself before buying.

also a good shootout and review on innerfidelity. i think he preferred the audeze too, overall sound quality wise.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/spectacularly-yummy-audeze-lcd-2-and-lcd-3

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/audeze-lcd-x-fazor-and-fresh-listen-current-lcd-2-and-lcd-3-page-2           http://hermetechmastering.com : http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gregg+Janman : http://soundcloud.com/babaluma
PoM
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Posted : Aug 2, 2014 23:41
thnanks for the link, really make me curious about expensive cans , i have to listen.. but would need to mix on these to see how tweaking eq and compressor translate it s not easy to try before buy and lot of cash
Babaluma
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Posted : Aug 3, 2014 01:32
i would never, ever want to mix or master on cans! just use mine for pleasure listening on the move and final QC check in mastering.           http://hermetechmastering.com : http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gregg+Janman : http://soundcloud.com/babaluma
loki
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Posted : Aug 6, 2014 08:21
I agree with you on that at least Actually, for that reason sometimes I regret buying the LCD2s instead of the HD800s. But whatever! Both are fantastic phones.

As much as the Audeze's are insanely accurate in the low end - and everyone is right, they are a bit darker as far as the highs go - I HATE mixing on cans. Ear fatigue... and gross... even with the best cans.

The orthodynamic thing does make a huge difference for transients and timing, though. This picture gives a pretty cool picture of why the bass sounds so good:

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=3&graphID[]=3221&graphID[]=4061&scale=30

This is a pure square wave at 50 hz recorded on a neutral mix out of the cans. Note how the Senheiser distorts the square a little more. But look at this next one, with some cheap Koss headphones:

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=3&graphID[]=1613&scale=30

Terrible eh? The Audeze's and Senheisers are in another league.

Part of the reason I chose the Barefoots as monitors was specifically because they are also DSP corrected to do the same stuff, according to Thomas on a gearslutz post in their early days anyways. I believe him because it sounds fucking great.

Also: frequency response between my two "top can contendors", the LCD-2 and HD800s.

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=3221&graphID[]=863&scale=30

PS, the url for the graph maker on headroom...

http://www.headphone.com/pages/build-a-graph           Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. ~Kurt Vonnegut
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loki
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Posted : Aug 6, 2014 08:23
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loki where are you based? Are you on FB? We should hang out some time!




Ottawa & Montreal Canada, mate! A little far off unfortunately.

If you ever cross the Atlantic, drop by the studio and kick out some jams.

You have ATC20s eh ? How are the 2-way ATCs? I've heard ridiculously good things about them and also the 3-ways but they are hard to find around Canada, I'd have to go to New York to listen.
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Babaluma
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Posted : Aug 6, 2014 17:29
Cool, Milan but soon Paris here!

Yeah, I have the ATC SCM 20 ASL Pros. Not ideal as far as bass extension goes, which is why I ref on other systems and cans too, but mid range detail and high end extension just to do die for. Will get the ATC 12" sub sometime this year, then eventually upgrade to the 50's, possibly with a sub as well. Best monitors I have ever heard.           http://hermetechmastering.com : http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gregg+Janman : http://soundcloud.com/babaluma
loki
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Posted : Aug 6, 2014 21:41
Cool, comparison to Barefoots if you've heard 'em? I compared to everything Focal, Genelec, and Quested in shop and the Barefoots blew them all out of the water by a wide margin.

Also, their translation is just out of this world. I can't even stand listening to most of my old tunes mixed on Adam A7s anymore.

But ATC 3-ways are definitely on my radar for possible choices if I ever get sick of the MM27s. So are Geithain - I've heard fantastic things.           Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. ~Kurt Vonnegut
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Babaluma
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Posted : Aug 9, 2014 19:24
Yep me too! Never heard the Barefoots or the Geithains unfortunately, but have also heard great things about both.           http://hermetechmastering.com : http://www.discogs.com/artist/Gregg+Janman : http://soundcloud.com/babaluma
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