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Posted : May 12, 2008 18:01
I must say that to be a DJ then you must be able to mix at least a litlle bit, although many people will not know or notice the differnece between a good mix and decent transition from track to track. ( i myself have little to no experience mixing but was able to pull off a "DJ" set simply by planning the tracks in advance knowing what key and bpm they are in, although ableton was doing most of the work when it came matching bpm )
The bottom line is that i DO NOT consider myself a DJ even though i can act like one. I produce tracks and thats what i'm good at so i'm sticking to it for now
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Posted : May 13, 2008 01:26
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Im sure there are whole lot of artist who have gr8 production & release gr8 music but are bad dj's wit no dj & mixing skills on cdj's.. if u know any such artist info would be appreciated..
P.S:- This thread is jus to gather few info to help pple book artist for dj sets & not to make any conrtoversy or war in here.
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I saw his set last year in a club, and he make many erros in the mix!
Also XENOMORPH
I didn´t saw his set but many guys said to me that he make a ot of mistakes!
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Posted : May 14, 2008 21:19
this seems like one of those trance myths
I don't know how someone could be a good artist, but a bad dj unless they had been producing for a long time and only recently started djing.
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Posted : May 15, 2008 00:12
actually, there's a lot of trance producers that couldn't mix cake batter with instructions... There's a lot of producers that make music and don't dj... In a situation that I'm given a choice between a push play live act and a trainwrecking dj set, I'll take the push play live act any day of the week. It's a bonus to have a producer that knows how to dj... some of my favorite producer/djs would be Joti Sidhu.... everytime I've seen him, he's been flawless, same thing with Dino Psaras...
Also there's quite a few djs in this world that just fade in intro's and outro's ... Now I'll say that since I started as a Jungle dj, my perception of djing is a lot different than others, but I like a continuous flow of energy in a dj set, not really letting the energy of the set decrease unless it's intentional and even then, not really that often in a set.
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Posted : May 16, 2008 11:22
Where do i start....
I consider psy the worst genre of djs.... I mean lousy beatmatching and doing nothing for a whole set, no INTERACTION with the crowd, at least control the crowd and make SEX to the mixer... Jeeezzz
I had famous producers telling me how amazing is that and how do you do it and shit... Man PRACTICE, mix compasses properly and bum you are in charge....
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Posted : May 16, 2008 21:08
I think this is a good topic. Very few artists do not DJ.
Booking the Live Act + DJ Set combo when the artists do not know how to mix can very well ruin the vibe of a party, and I've seem it happen some times.
Check these thoughts:
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On http://forum.isratrance.com/my-view-on-the-current-party-model/page2/ , full_on wrote:
You are right about the Artists who are not so good (to avoid saying they suck big time) at DJing. This is a delicate situation, because many artists told me that the party organizers prefer to book the combo Live + DJ Set instead of only the Live or the DJ Set... So there is a pressure for them to play the DJ Set even when they know they're not really prepared for that.
Also in my interviews ( http://www.fullonline.net/interviews/ ) few artists said they don't do DJ Sets, from what I remember only Burn in Noise, Filteria, Sound Field (ProSect) and both guys from Principles of Flight, and I interviewed more than 40 artists. Most of those who said they do not do DJ Sets explained that they choose to focus on production, and that to do a proper DJ set you need spend too much time listening to many new psy music, when in fact most of them don't even listen to psy in their spare time.
The result: As commented in many party reviews some artist's DJ Sets lack in technical aspects and present the same tracks (and even the same track transitions) for a long time (six months+ in some cases).
This is another well illustrated example of the mechanisms by which the current party model lowers the quality and diversity of the psytrance experience.
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Posted : May 17, 2008 13:21
rather less beat mixing with good tracks than boring tracks mixed perfectly...also the big names usually play the same set many times since they travel all the time so the crowd is different every night...on my dj set i make a one cd with mixed set(changes everytime) and then have 2-3 cd s with all sorts of fx,vocals,horns you name it and then i mix those sounds in to make a good soup(O_=)...this way i can allways joy more myself and don t have to spend all the time on stage to search for the mix
ps:good dj set is like a wedding something new,something old,something borrowed and something own
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Posted : May 17, 2008 23:09
well few years ago i saw S Range live and then dj set, well dj set was awfull, live was good, but mixing skills .... not at all with all respect to artist
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Posted : May 18, 2008 19:57
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on my dj set i make a one cd with mixed set(changes everytime) and then have 2-3 cd s with all sorts of fx,vocals,horns you name it and then i mix those sounds in to make a good soup(O_=)...
u call this dj set ????? omg
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Posted : May 19, 2008 10:39
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on my dj set i make a one cd with mixed set(changes everytime) and then have 2-3 cd s with all sorts of fx,vocals,horns you name it and then i mix those sounds in to make a good soup(O_=)...
u call this dj set ????? omg
What u do on your dj set?
wich one of these two is more creative?
one with prerecorded mix and add up lot of sounds to it or one with dj mixing songs one after another on fly with no additions to it?
its same as on live set, guy with laptop and midi keyboard doing some gnarly noises is more live than guy who plays same set from cd and ads up efx from mixer.
but the guy who pushes the play button on laptop is proper live and other guy is fake.
only real difference is that other one got midikeyboard
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Posted : May 19, 2008 11:26
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On 2008-05-17 13:21, papay wrote:
on my dj set i make a one cd with mixed set(changes everytime) and then have 2-3 cd s with all sorts of fx,vocals,horns you name it and then i mix those sounds in to make a good soup(O_=)...
u call this dj set ????? omg
What u do on your dj set?
wich one of these two is more creative?
one with prerecorded mix and add up lot of sounds to it or one with dj mixing songs one after another on fly with no additions to it?
They're both the same; with one the creativity is in adding the sounds from your 2-3 CDs full of extra noises, in the other the creativity is in which tracks you choose too play at which time, and how you blend them to create your mix. However pre-recording your mix leaves you up shit creek if the audience isn't in the exact right mood for the set you've prepared, and I think most people would be really disapppointed if they knew that the DJ they were dancing to was playing a mix CD, even if it was one they'd made themselves.
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Posted : May 19, 2008 13:48
You can also choose to use 4 CDs. 2 for mixing tracks. 2 for effects, vocals, atmospheres. Done that for many a chill set. Would sound a bit tricky for uptempo trance music but I've seen some DJs do that too, and do it damn well. (BrainLizzard and Aastral ... melt melt! )
btw... We're gonna see a lot of Great Artists/Bad DJs in the future due to the simple fact that a Computer + basic production gear is getting cheaper than DJ gear + CDs.
Thats till the point where laptop DJs are accepted worldwide. Who knows what we're gonna be complaining about then.
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Posted : May 19, 2008 17:11
well maybe i just join the endless pool of artists who get ableton live press play 1 time in hour and drink beer and try to look cool and as allways call it "live"
this setup that i mentioned i have try it 3 times only now and no complaints concerning dancefloor last time the guy before me played some iboga stuff pitched up 142bpm and then i played minimal/tekno in 133bpm and the dancefloor didn t stop for a second(actually it went go goo bananas(O_=)
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Posted : May 19, 2008 17:33
^^^^^^^^
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i have heard too many poor sets in my 10years time spended in this shiit...that it s impossible to tell which was the worst...the best dj s has allways been in the hip hop scene not in the electronic scene at all for example i bet dj z trip(use the force...hups sorry use the google)would kick ass on any trance/house/progressive dj you can think off...like dj questlove(the Roots)told in a interview that these days dj s don t no more experiment on different styles of music they are allways limited to one style...
beginning of the modern day dj:::
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Posted : May 19, 2008 20:53
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rather less beat mixing with good tracks than boring tracks mixed perfectly...also the big names usually play the same set many times since they travel all the time so the crowd is different every night...on my dj set i make a one cd with mixed set(changes everytime) and then have 2-3 cd s with all sorts of fx,vocals,horns you name it and then i mix those sounds in to make a good soup(O_=)...this way i can allways joy more myself and don t have to spend all the time on stage to search for the mix
ps:good dj set is like a wedding something new,something old,something borrowed and something own
I think you get a better interaction with the crowd if you are up there messin with the knobs (not too much since psy sets are so much about keeping a constant state of trance) and usin the fx on the mixer/decks/fx you bring. Probably only djs in the crowd would realize if you're just playin a mix cd, but I think it's a sign of a better dj if they can select tracks based on the mood/crowd reaction at the time. I always enjoy myself while mixin and diggin for cds because that set you play is unique and creates a unique experience for you and the crowd.http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound www.chilluminati.org - Midwest based psytrance group
