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goodbye progressive! hello crossover!
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 28, 2004 17:43
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After deep listening to Richard Bartz - Midnight Man, i can tell that Anthony Rother is much much better. It is taste, Elektro is Elektro when Progressive is much more newer scene and will remain. Richard Bartz, sorry to mention but Richard Bartz is gay elektro which dead decades ago. lol X-Dream and Richard Bartz taking al over the world. I wish to hear Ariel to sing so gay. |
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olivier
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Posted : Dec 28, 2004 17:53
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so... what's so negative about being gay ??? |
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 28, 2004 18:25
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gay means too happy. not sexual orientation. there is nothing bad about it, just my personal taste. |
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russ
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Posted : Dec 28, 2004 19:04
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H20, I like Anthony Rother too, he's amazing! but that's not really the point...and to Justin, I'm looking forward to new Sensient and Sun Control as well... |
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 28, 2004 19:31
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The point of my last words "lol X-Dream and Richard Bartz taking al over the world" was to ask you how you got into conclusion that Elektro is the next thing? I don't think 98% of this board know Anthony Rother who is much more known than Bartz. X-Dream is already a treadmark, like Infected Mushroom. So any release of them should have success, though their last album was horrific. No timing, no proper track choise but seems ppl like it so who am i to tell. |
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russ
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Posted : Dec 28, 2004 20:20
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i don't think "elektro" is the next big thing, nor that it is taking over the world. it was just an example of something that sounded very fresh to my ears that could work in any crossover party (techno/elektro/house/trance). nothing more. |
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Lux
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Posted : Dec 28, 2004 22:15
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Guys what's the story here.
From what it seems everyone who wrote in this thread agrees on the same thing including myself. It is perfectly acceptable to incorporate different elements from different styles in order to produce new and fresh stuff or mix different styles of music in a party so as not to get boring.
This is called "progressive" meaning the progression of music in any form.
 Don't hope 2 much 4 something cause u may end up getting it... |
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Borris
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Posted : Dec 28, 2004 23:24
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Russ, you just said what I've been trying to yell for the last four years (if not slightly longer).
I've been trying to play freestyle sets at trance parties here in israel for the last four years, what eventually brought me to a point where noone wants to book me cause i don't play the proper "full on" or the strict "progressive" trance.
Israel is indeed a difuicult place trance wise.
BTW i heard James Monroe play a brilliant cross over set last friday folowed by local House DJ's Ravid and Ilya who simply tore the place down.
oh, and if you'll tell me where to send you a set I'll be more then glad to do so......
Kinetic Honda GmbH, Worldwide Supliers of Quality noise.
Progression Sessions of the 3rd Empire! |
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rich
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Posted : Dec 29, 2004 03:48
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As long as the beat and music put you in a trance and is psychedelic...
(and I have heard different styles of music do this, like breakbeat)
If it does not put you in a trance or is psychedelic, I don't see any relevance with psytrance or playing it at psytrance parties.
I've been enjoying several proggressive releases this year. much more trance enducing that most of the full on that's come out.
(Dr, your inbox is full)
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timsensient
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Posted : Dec 29, 2004 05:38
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Nice to see a thought provoking and interesting topic on here. Personally im all for crossover, its what keeps things interesting...making different combinations of genres into new styles. But in my opnion im not so sure the artists mentioned by russ are really pushing the boundaries foward. Sure the production is often phatter and their are many wicked tracks in this style. But i dont really see how it is pushing it in the areas of pure musicality or even sound creation. As far as musicalty, alot of this music you mention, the sets played by dnmox and the like is quite boring and loop based. Sure its not meant to fufill the same purpose as jazz music, but i wanna hear more intricate parts, tricky musical variations and fucked up sounds that make one guess and shake your head and think what the hell was that, or how the hell did they do that? This is the stuff that is really pushing it for me and i dont hear it in the popular crossover progressive sound that i hear so much these days. But dont get me wrong i really love teh deep progressive sound ala luke chable, zero tolerance etc. but i just dont really see how it is any further ahead than psy progressive (except in production maybe)
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On 2004-12-28 19:04, russ wrote:
I'm looking forward to new Sensient and Sun Control as well...
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I hear your coming to rainbow serpent russ? I will be giving you a demo of my new album there 
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russ
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Posted : Dec 29, 2004 13:03
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Hi Tim,
I'll be on the floor for your Rainbow Serpent set for sure. Steve Good played me a new track from you that was brilliant. Can't remember the name--it was rather stripped down, but with very complex percussion, and quite twisted. Great stuff.
Maybe my wording was a little harsh in my first posting, as I'm still finding some great stuff within the scene. I don't really think that any single genre is better than another. It's just that there's so much other great stuff out there that dj's could play at the crossover parties I'm talking about.
In case anybody's still curious. Here's my top twenty of psychedelic+hypnotic crossover beats:
1) Anything by Mathew Jonson (Itiswhatitisrecords)
The two most famous are "Compression" (Minus) and "Typerope", but everything is amazing. This is very minimal music done to utter perfection. Some of the most original, hypnotic music I've ever heard. Conjures up images of peace and beauty.
2) Nathan Fake: Outhouse (Border Community)
Heard it a 100 times and could hear it a 100 more. Classic. Played in tech-house, tribal, techno, trance, house, and just about any other kind of party you can imagine.
3) Jori Hulkkonen: Fermi Paradox (On Toni Rios's mix cd for Cocoon)
Wow! This is for anyone out there who doesn't think tech-house can be trippy. Actually I recommend the entire mix cd--this music is so cool because it doesn't tell you what to do; rather it engages with you in playful communication.
4) The MFA: Motherload/Sphinx (MFA)
One of the best 12's of the year. Future acid house groover on one side, and beautiful melancholy track on the other. It doesn't get much better than this.
5) Agent 001: Bubblebath/Accorsi rmx (Opek)
The brilliant Steve Porter gets the treatment from the equally brilliant Martin Accorsi, a producer who's done some serious dark stuff in the past. This is HUGE. Strange melodies plus massive rhythm+beats.
6) Beckers: Switch (Sprout)
On the lighter side of things, we have Beckers with another great release on Sprout. Pure disco mayhem for the floor from Frank Beckers, one of the best producers/pure musicians in the trance scene. Makes me crazy:)
7) Richard Bartz: Skywriter ("Midnight Man"/Gigolo)
This techno-elecktro-disco one has me wanting to scream and shout in a dirty packed club. Very raw + energetic with great bass. The track "Symphonies of Midnight" also really kicks it in for me.
8) Son Kite: Colors/Shiloh rmx (Digital Structures)
By far my favorite rmx of all the Son Kite remixes. So beautiful it just throws you into a state of confusion on the dance floor. Just perfect--this is for me the peak of "progressive trance".
9) Johannes Heil: Step into the Light (Datapunk)
Monster monster night-time track! Heard Arne (midimiliz) play this for us, and the crowd went bananas.
10) Sir Drew: Mates Rates/Peace Division rmx (Kingsize)
Peace Division basically do one sound, but they do it better than anybody. Deep tribal infinity music--just nod your head and stomp off.
11) Chris Micali: So Easy (Vapour)
One of my favorite Vapour releases ever. This track is a huge slow-motion groove, like falling into a machine. One of the best American producers in my opinion.
12) Darkarma: Focal Point Blur (Blueprint Records)
New talent from a new label in America, Blueprint run by two great dj's Habersham+Numinous. This is very personal and melancholy music, also very hypnotic. Would love to hear this outdoors up in the mountains.
13) David Carretta: Te Quiero Me Amor (Kill Your Radio/Gigolo)
Simple relentless rhythm that grabs you into the vortex. Powerful enough even for a full-on crowd.
14) Pig and Dan: The Answer rmx + Mudrain/Acid Pig (submission/tecmission).
These are the two labels that have replaced Zero Tolerance for me as the deepest of the deep, and they only release themselves, Pig&Dan. I admit that much of their stuff is too minimal for a trance floor, but on huge speakers this music is just so massive. Unparalleled production. Amazing to think that this duo puts out enough music to sustain two labels!
15) Avus: Fancy Arse/James Holden's Sunday Night Extension rmx (Perctrax)
This one's for you, Tim Sensient! Some mind-boggling sonics and manipulation here. Starts off in very minimal acid house territory, and then Holden throws in every sound under the sun. Madness. And for some more madness, download Holden's two Britney Spears remixes. (These were official remixes until Britney's team heard them, at which point they were declared unreleasable!) I think these are genius.
16) Sensient: forgot the name! (Zenon)
Sorry don't know the name, but I'm sure it'll be out on the new album. Reminded me a little of classic Double Dragon mixed in with old Koxbox, but stripped-down. Deep trippy percussion and mental sounds. One sound that I miss in current progressive trance is the sonic percussion games that Double Dragon and Bus (!) were so good at. Sensient's maybe the only guy who can still do this.
17) Pascal FEOS: Stream Electric/Split Second remixes (PV). One deep, one happy. Heard D-Nox play the dirk diggler one to a packed club that went nuts to it. The a-side is dry percussion and minimal tech-house territory, but cool enough to keep the crowd going, and very hypnotic. The Pascal FEOS album Self-Reflexion is also great, and it sounds very trancy to me.
18) Mr. Negative: Better than You (Fine)
OK, not my usual style, but this has the best voice sample of all time. This very germanic voice taking the piss and declaring the joy of feeling superior to others. If I heard this when tripping, I would laugh until I pulled a muscle in my jaw! Some wicked german techno.
19) Floppy Sounds: Durexx/Heaven's Gate mix (wavetec)
Rob Rives is a legendary New York house producer, and Floppy Sounds is his guise for his trippier work. (Wavetec is Francois Kevorkian's new techy label, some cool stuff there.) This is the work of a true master producer at the the top of his game. Deep psychedelic head-music.
20) Justus Kohncke: Timecode (Kompact)
Not so trancy, but so much joy and creativity in this track. This will bring nothing but smiles to any groove-oriented dancefloor.
OK, I think that's almost every dance genre covered there. Just a taste of what I want my "trance" parties to sound like that! |
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yossi
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Posted : Dec 29, 2004 13:24
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tim, sounds like u r looking for some nasty IDM and not trance music.
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luje
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tim, sounds like u r looking for some nasty IDM and not trance music.
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About an year and a half ago, I was challenged by the expression: psygressive.
It was on a conversation I had with Justin Space in which he was explaining me the motto of his music as Highersonic Whomen.
I didn't really get it in the begining, but after a while it actually fit on what I was trying to build as the idea of a chaotic progressive psy-trance.
The first artist that touched me, in that sense, was Zirkin (a very good example of what I'm talking about can be found @ Zirkin vs. Bonky - Dropped Out).
I won't get deeper on what Doof Records means to me on that subject because that would require at least an entire evening.
Let's jump to examples, tho:
- Highpersonic Whomen
- Sensient
- Flyh
- Legohead
- Krumelur
- Sun Control Species
- Necmi
- Dark Doors
- Hedonix
- Kiwa
- Dereinspunkt
- Tetraktys
Just to mention some.
When I listen to these people's music, there is something one can recognize which isn't the poor formula, nor the structure. It's more about a "will". And that will is psygressive.
which is softy agressive, I mean, fucked-up.
It's a cosy confusion, that put a smile in one's face.
It's a wormhole for brain stimula.
A funky spacetrip into spiral weirdness.
And yet you slide into it, you flow...
a chaotic happiness that can barely be described with the words: WTF |
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yossi
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Posted : Dec 29, 2004 22:56
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well luje, i guess our definition for psy music is a bit different so i cant realy agree with you on that one
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yossi
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Posted : Dec 29, 2004 22:58
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plus... when some1 is looking for this "i wanna hear more intricate parts, tricky musical variations and fucked up sounds that make one guess and shake your head and think what the hell was that, or how the hell did they do that?"... i wont send him to look up any trance releases, there might be examples for sure... but very rare.
sounds more like idm 2 me
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