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GOA GIL in Athens on Saturday 12 June @ Building 56!!!
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orange
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Posted : Jun 27, 2010 20:34
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decoration is that thin line between a psy party and a music event?
in the most big events in greece deco is absent its the classic situation that smaller parties from smaller promoters offer more to the attender musically and visually than the big events with very big names and big sound systems in big places.
for me it looks like the blunt face of capitalism like big corporations that have a cold approach into profit, offering well polished services avoiding the more human approach for the sake of expanding profits and minimizing losses.. if it works dont fix/upgrade it.
you will think that supporting the smaller promoters its the case here.. partially yes in the long run no because the small promoter when he gets big he will again act like a business with a standard business plan that runs well and offers more growth and money.
there is no more real psy feeling its all bussines more or less.. psy like any other music style is an industry that works on a pattern of right and wrong moves, failure and success.
220 volts does what it knows to do best, offers big events with big commercial artist's in nice big places and good sound.
deco now will not change their attendance only a better experience to the attender.. but for a big place needs big deco and more time preparation and more working hands more expenses.. this expenses will again fall on the attender and since money is a very big issue lately attendance will be lower and profit less or maybe even loss resulting into an unhealthy business that will eventually shut down.
what you have then?
no party at all and complaints about the luck of nice big events, misery.. back to small club parties in bad clubs with no deco and bad sound.
also bare in mind that big events rise the status of our scene make it more respectable and not a constant no no from the authorities.
this gives the chance for more events in more and better places.
it would be great to have fantastic decorations in all of the events in greece but im pretty sure most of you have used to not have any fluo/psy deco in the events its bad and feels cold and its harder to get into the psy mentality in the party but you cant have all as it seems so its better to settle with less than nothing at all.
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fruitopia
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Posted : Jun 28, 2010 13:01
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On 2010-06-26 20:40, disco hooligans wrote:
For the love of God leave Detox alone. If you don't like his parties, don't go to them.
I've lived in the UK for 7 years and have been to a lot of parties, some of them where in warehouses that had amazing deco, some where at squats with nothing at all. I had a great time in all of them.
We all know the situation in Athenian parties.
Choose the places you go to carefully, instead of putting promoters, down.
The best way to get a message through, is by attending a party, or not.
Peace out.
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building 56 is not a squat and squats are not only party places.
since we know that something is wrong, do we have to keep it this way forever?
what is all that, we're not allowed to express our dislike? look at us ,we could make some great parties here, there are people to support them and beautiful vibes that simply can't be spread because of careless organisation.
i totaly disagree with the 'we all know how it is' attitude, this is why we can't reach anything more than the modest.
so many years in the uk and you think building 56 is a cool place with no deco in 2010?
i don't have something in personal with anybody, i just push to see something better.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 28, 2010 15:56
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On 2010-06-28 13:01, fruitopia wrote:
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On 2010-06-26 20:40, disco hooligans wrote:
For the love of God leave Detox alone. If you don't like his parties, don't go to them.
I've lived in the UK for 7 years and have been to a lot of parties, some of them where in warehouses that had amazing deco, some where at squats with nothing at all. I had a great time in all of them.
We all know the situation in Athenian parties.
Choose the places you go to carefully, instead of putting promoters, down.
The best way to get a message through, is by attending a party, or not.
Peace out.
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building 56 is not a squat and squats are not only party places.
since we know that something is wrong, do we have to keep it this way forever?
what is all that, we're not allowed to express our dislike? look at us ,we could make some great parties here, there are people to support them and beautiful vibes that simply can't be spread because of careless organisation.
i totaly disagree with the 'we all know how it is' attitude, this is why we can't reach anything more than the modest.
so many years in the uk and you think building 56 is a cool place with no deco in 2010?
i don't have something in personal with anybody, i just push to see something better.
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Orange made some great points in his post. So your beef is that 220 Volts don't put any deco up? no they don't. This has been brought up here 10s of times, they just don't put deco and it looks like they will not do it in the near future.
I have been to many parties in the UK and some of them did not have deco, yet I had a great time cause the music was great.
Having said that, I do prefer deco in parties.
Off course you can express your dislike, a lot of people before you expressed their dislike for the same issue.
So now you did.
What I am saying is, if you don't like a party, go to another that you like. Pretty simple, innit?
And to make a more clear point, Building 56 is a very cool place to be when Tristan or MWNN is playing and a shit place when Goa Gill or Astrix, is playing.
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fruitopia
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Posted : Jun 28, 2010 17:26
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yes i liked tristan in there, i liked only the music though, a party is not only the music or is it?
so what am i getting from this, is that i have to shut up and pay for almost the 'half' of what a psytrance party realy is.
no, i won't.
deco is not the only problem, there is a great lack of imagination and passion at most parties (if not all) don't get me wrong on that. this cold aproach orange is talking about is something that adds much more ugliness in the 'air' than the lack of decoration. i never see anyone trying to think of something to improve this situation, the only thing i see is strict money making with NO LOVE at all.
seems like we slowly forget what this is/was all about. you know, colors, feelings, smiles, fun..
do you see anything from these things these days? we all shut the fuck up, we listen two hours of good music and quickly get back home away from those -never friendly- security beasts or midgets and think only of the music we've heard because "the place was a bit bad but what to do? this is what we have only, let's not be miserable.."
change it gentlemen and don't support it!
you know better than me what the real deal is
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 28, 2010 18:16
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On 2010-06-28 17:26, fruitopia wrote:
yes i liked tristan in there, i liked only the music though, a party is not only the music or is it? |
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The vibe is the party, the crowd and most importantly the music. Don't get me wrong, I like a good deco, be it traditional indian deity images, fluo satellites...etc, but I go there to listen to the music and dance/trip my tits off.
Tristan's party is an example of a great party with no deco at all.
Also the sound in 56 is not good at all, but you'd have to pay a fortune to make that massive hanger, not reflect like a mofo.
I'd rather have that whole room in grey and have a great sound, than have deco.
The en-techno festival was in 56 as well and they had a function 1 system in there. It sounded amazing, but again only if you were close enough to the P.A. to get more direct sound, than the sound reflecting from the room.
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On 2010-06-28 17:26, fruitopia wrote:
so what am i getting from this, is that i have to shut up and pay for almost the 'half' of what a psytrance party realy is.
no, i won't. |
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That's fair enough.
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On 2010-06-28 17:26, fruitopia wrote:
deco is not the only problem, there is a great lack of imagination and passion at most parties (if not all) don't get me wrong on that. this cold aproach orange is talking about is something that adds much more ugliness in the 'air' than the lack of decoration. i never see anyone trying to think of something to improve this situation, the only thing i see is strict money making with NO LOVE at all. |
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Again read Orange's post, different teams, offer different things.
Its up to you to choose where to go.
I would defo prefer to listen to Tristan at 56 for example, than listen to U-Recken at a club with great deco.
Its all about taste.
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On 2010-06-28 17:26, fruitopia wrote:
seems like we slowly forget what this is/was all about. you know, colors, feelings, smiles, fun..
do you see anything from these things these days? we all shut the fuck up, we listen two hours of good music and quickly get back home away from those -never friendly- security beasts or midgets and think only of the music we've heard because "the place was a bit bad but what to do? this is what we have only, let's not be miserable.." |
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That's partying in clubs for you, you have unfriendly security, but its like that in most places, including UK.
Its not the club's/organiser's fault you can't bring your chillum to a party. The police is hunting us down like terrorists, and to add insult to injury, the organisers them selves, send the police/SDOE to close down other parties and put party teams out of business.
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On 2010-06-28 17:26, fruitopia wrote:
change it gentlemen and don't support it!
you know better than me what the real deal is
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+1.
Peace out.
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220Volts
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Posted : Jun 28, 2010 18:48
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Fruitopia apart the deco is there anything else you didnt like at the party?
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fruitopia
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Posted : Jun 28, 2010 21:38
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do you believe i get so upset with all this because i'm just a miserable guy who doesn't care and my only habit is arguing? if so, i think you're definately wrong.
i have some unique experiences in my mind from this building and others, and i can't wait to live more. i feel like i/we need something more time after time though, don't you think? there are things that can be done, even with not so big costs. what seems hopeless to me, is the denial of things and ideas that would improve the parties. everyone on it's own trying to save himself and survive, with no real reason probably.
look, we 're a bunch of people of all the sides of this entertainment thing, and we can't make anything better than 'pretty good'. the oxymoron is that we 're able to make athens a place for people from other countries to come and visit our parties even in the winter. i may seem stupid to you but i don't mind if so, i'm not the only one thinking like this. there is plenty of time realy and i plan to prove at least some of what i say, with actions.
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220Volts
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Posted : Jun 28, 2010 22:13
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Would you mind just answering my question?
Apart the absence of decoration was there anything else that you disliked at the event?
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Jun 28, 2010 22:43
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On 2010-06-28 18:48, 220Volts wrote:
Fruitopia apart the deco is there anything else you didnt like at the party?
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The link you put from your group on facebook means something ? 1,736 members and no feedback of the party at all... It isn't something to be proud of (i think) ...
I also know that there are people who would like to put deco in your party for FREE...
Just for promotion use. 
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fruitopia
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Posted : Jun 30, 2010 17:20
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On 2010-06-28 22:13, 220Volts wrote:
Would you mind just answering my question?
Apart the absence of decoration was there anything else that you disliked at the event?
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look at you, you only care to defend your business, or am i wrong here again? is this the only question left for you to ask, after reading my post?
see, that's what i'm talking about.. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 30, 2010 19:42
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On 2010-06-28 22:13, 220Volts wrote:
Would you mind just answering my question?
Apart the absence of decoration was there anything else that you disliked at the event?
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look at you, you only care to defend your business, or am i wrong here again? is this the only question left for you to ask, after reading my post?
see, that's what i'm talking about..
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And you keep avoiding to answer. No offense but this makes you look like another forum user, who has a personal agenda with 220 Volts.
I am playing devil's advocate here, since I too believe there is much room for improvement for many teams in Athens and that includes 220 Volts.
But this manner of arguing is one big downward spiral and will not have any positive effect on the scene and does not help anyone.
Instead of avoiding the answer with short posts of negative innuendos, you could give a more contributing feedback , about things you did not like.
Stop the bickering and start contributing.
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fruitopia
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Posted : Jul 1, 2010 12:43
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maybe i express my opinion a bit excessively yes, i'll try not to do so.
i did not spoke specialy for this party though, i like building 56 a lot and i also have seen a kind of change the last one two years. i think i know both pros and cons of 220volts and i'll say again that if i overreact sometimes is because i see that a lot can be done and yet only few things are applied.
i don't have anything against anybody. |
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fruitopia
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Posted : Jul 2, 2010 12:17
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anybody here?? we had a conversation i guess..
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220Volts
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Posted : Jul 2, 2010 12:54
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When they ask you something simple and you repeatedly avoid to answer then there is no conversation.
End of discussion from my side.
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