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Goa = from dusk to dawn music - Full-On = Dinnertime
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 15:30
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http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/79863/forum/1 Sorry Kakoman, non of your links fitted to my reply. I'm such a wanker.
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Full-On is a breed from psy-trance, just as psy-trance is a breed of Goa. Psy-trance is a name that has a larger range then Goa-trance. Goa-trance is psy-trance, and psy-trance is Goa-trance, but still. Psy-trance is not Goa-trance. - Fhju!
- Full-On is what you can call psy-trance influenced trance. It got many of the basic ides and such, but it isn’t made (in most cases) for a tripper by tripper, like (most) psy/goa trance is. It's music made for the dance floor. Made by people with no idea about what psychedelic is really about (who knows?). But of cource, like most genres, Full-On started out good with psychedelic acts like psysex, Astrix ect. But over the years, it faded out and has become a non-psy psy-trance genre. (Now it has grown, and it has a life of it's own, which is good imo.
So lets eat reality and exclude Full-On from our psychedelic vocabulary. I don’t want to feel chemical vibes when I listen to psy-trance. I want to feel twisted psychedelic vibes.
There is no "right" answer that everyone will agree on, simply because peoples opinions differs from person to person. Opinions are split, just like their asses.
I don’t know man.
But I can tell you this. Very few full-on producers are taking responsibility as my signature suggests.
Music has the right to chldren (BoC), and Full-On is a bastard child.
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 15:50
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On 2006-01-21 15:30, Kire-naj wrote:
Sorry Kakoman, non of your links fitted to my reply. I'm such a wanker.
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I'll reckon I didn't check them, sorry sorry (as they were not "mine").. Just busy busy working so..
Maybe a colleague will take care of this..
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 05:21
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I dont agreree with your signature line. They are responsible for their trip, they chose to listen to your music !!!! |
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 06:56
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Kire-naj, I disagree with you on many levels.
First, the terms goatrance and psytrance (psychedelic trance) in most sentences have the same meaning, except that some people sometimes use the term goatrance when refering to the very first psytrance tunes (specially the melodic tunes).
Second, I think that if most goatrance tunes where released today they'd be called psytrance and possibly full on.
Third, I think most tracks which were called goatrance and were played at Goa, not at the very begining, but just before it had its "big boom", would be today called full on or dark full on.
Also full on do not started with Psysex or Astrix, these guys released their first stuff around 2000... Astral Projection many more were making psytrance tunes which probably would be called full on if released today around 1995/1996.
The Muses Rapt released their classic Spiritual Healing in 1997. This track is pretty much full on, but if you search for it on Psyshop you'll fing they call it Goa Trance...
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/pho/pho1cd077.html
In another words, the main aspect that defines if something will be called full on (happy/melodic/morning, groovy/high-tech, dark/evil/night, tech-trance/technoish or whatever) today is the bpm, which is usually from 138 to 148.
And more: it's a lot about taste, I enjoy proggy, but I prefer much more to listen to full on tunes. Of course there's a lot of crap full on being released today, but there's also TONS of crappy proggy these days, few artists stand out in all psychedelic trance genres, so my advice is to search for stuff you like, stop bashing whole genres and start enjoying the good side of each genre. 
And of course buy your music, let's listen to the good stuff on the best quality possible.  
Respect!
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Outolintu
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 11:20
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and now my 2.5 cents to confuse everybody
for good:
goa trance was the start. there was light and then there was goa  nobody did talk about anything else than goa. then people
realized that different artists have different styles, some are more psychedelic some energetic, fluffier or darker. what to do? start labeling the sound into more specific groups such as psychedelic trance,
full on, progressive, morning and dark trance.
all these "genres" existed already in the 90's and now artists and listeners are reinventing the styles.
conclusion: it depends on when you got into this kind of music. for me psychedelic trance is the largest and most flexible category into which fits the majority of the tracks made. if the track has less melody and more efx, grooves and so on then it's psychedelic trance.
full on for me is the sound made by astral projection, etnica/pleiadians etc. not the music that you now call full on.
progressive trance is probably the easiest category. if the build up takes 3-8 minutes and then nothing happens then it's progressive. just kidding  ?
morning trance... here we see it really comes down to matter of taste cause i would call muses rapt: spiritual healing a prime example of morning trance and not full on. it's a very fluffy track with little psychedelic sounds but gives you a nice, happy feeling of unity when the sun rises and you see everybody on the dancefloor.
the same with dark trance. it can depend a lot on the party and your own feelings too. but xenomorph and darshan were pioneers to dark trance. the "dark" was more the mood of the tracks, the atmosphere created through harmony/disharmony and not through violent samples etc. that's why i would call today's dark trance rather splatter trance or something like that.
obviously everybody has his/her own point of view to it so one can't get an ultimate answer. listen to the music and decide for yourself
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exotic
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 11:54
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*big yawn*
havent we gone over the goa / psychedelic / vs fullon / dark debate a million times already !!
just enjoy your psychedelic music in whatever form !!
there is so much diversity in our music that i just hate 'branding' trance into a certain genre .. ok maybe dark and morning for the obvious difference in the mood .. but thats it .. even prog for me falls in the morning category .. and twilight music comes under dark ..
ahem . we seemed to have left out goa !!
are there ppl still producing goa ?? apart from khetzal ??
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Dark_Dork
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 11:56
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On 2006-01-22 11:20, Outolintu wrote:
progressive trance is probably the easiest category. if the build up takes 3-8 minutes and then nothing happens then it's progressive. just kidding ?
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Nice words, i agree with most of them.
About the dark trance thing... Xeno used "violent samples" back in the day too... Lots of horror flicks dialouges and effects. It was evil-goa-ebm music... Today the majority of the dark trance is like dark full on, take the drug samples and use horror flicks samples, take the melodies and use scorching rough leads, take the melodic bassline and use low KbbbKbbbKbbb and you get dark full on...
But still theres dark psytrance. Just like the cheesy version of psytrance is full on, the cheesy version of dark psytrance is... dark full on!
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exotic
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 12:18
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On 2006-01-22 11:56, Dark_Dork wrote:
But still theres dark psytrance. Just like the cheesy version of psytrance is full on, the cheesy version of dark psytrance is... dark full on!
Just my opinion.
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you mean twilight ?
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 18:23
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Relax.. I was just bored.
But let’s take it a bit further.
Goa-Trance is the umbrella of it all, ja oh Helga? …SO inside this umbrella you go from dusk to dawn music (dark to morning). Then what’s full-on, dinnertime?
- Don’t agree with my signature? Stop smoking incense my friend.
Thank you!! Good night and enjoy the music you like!
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Rah
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 20:47
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i don't agree goa trance is the umbrella of it all... goa in it's inception borrowed heavily from other genre's like is the case always. Musical types today are inbreed sons's of their cousins. Point in case industrial music, early electronic (Kraftwerk) , acid house... man, i'm pretty sure Africa Bambaataa one way or another influenced it at a point too.
goa trance is just another genre for 'psy trance' our dear friends in the industry invented cause goa trance started sounding old, much like we have terms in the likes of forest trance now. At the beginning these differences seem minimal because there isn't much to compare them too... allow it a few years for (once again) say forest to develop and pretty soon they will be carrying their own distinctive sound, cause there will be a dozen acts doing their own spice branching the tree even further. Much like we are starting to see, Derango and Procs are ridying their own individual waves and they are both forest.
From that tree is Goa the the big root? possibly. I find hard to mediate when i hear newer material that is psy trance, but it borrows from scando trance, or industrial, or god knows what else than classical goa... maybe there's a number of roots... and all music is somehow interelated...
as for your sig Kire-naj producers materialize the expression of their own 'trips'. It is an individual expression. If you ask me (and you didn't) i would say is actually the DJ that is in charge of your trip, since he gets to pick the tunes... at the end you know what you get yourself into... you aren't going to let a blind old man drive you around i pressume... unless you like to live 'dangerously'
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 21:13
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On 2006-01-22 18:23, Kire-naj wrote:
Relax.. I was just bored.
But let’s take it a bit further.
Goa-Trance is the umbrella of it all, ja oh Helga? …SO inside this umbrella you go from dusk to dawn music (dark to morning). Then what’s full-on, dinnertime?
- Don’t agree with my signature? Stop smoking incense my friend.
Thank you!! Good night and enjoy the music you like!
*crowd goes wild*
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Have to disagree on your signature as well. I don't think a producer is responsible for your trip. Maybe a producer would want to see you die to his music. You can never know, because you cannot look inside the producer's mind.
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 21:31
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On 2006-01-22 18:23, Kire-naj wrote:
Relax.. I was just bored.
But let’s take it a bit further.
Goa-Trance is the umbrella of it all, ja oh Helga? …SO inside this umbrella you go from dusk to dawn music (dark to morning). Then what’s full-on, dinnertime?
- Don’t agree with my signature? Stop smoking incense my friend.
Thank you!! Good night and enjoy the music you like!
*crowd goes wild*
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Have to disagree on your signature as well. I don't think a producer is responsible for your trip. Maybe a producer would want to see you die to his music. You can never know, because you cannot look inside the producer's mind.
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If thats his wish, the so be it. Xenomorth's trip music is scary, but scary is entertainment, no? Depends on how you look at it and who you are. - If I can see inside the producers mind.. - Tripp tripp
I agree RAH.
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Outolintu
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Posted : Jan 23, 2006 10:10
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change it with the previous, deleted one and number it by #2, the Return of Kire-naj
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no, goa is not the umbrella but the beginning of this particular music culture.
ofcourse goa was influenced by previous electronic and non-electronic music styles nobody was saying it wasn't...
and yes, i agree too with rah in the responsibility debate
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Jan 24, 2006 02:13
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On 2006-01-22 21:13, Acidhive wrote:
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On 2006-01-22 18:23, Kire-naj wrote:
Relax.. I was just bored.
But let’s take it a bit further.
Goa-Trance is the umbrella of it all, ja oh Helga? …SO inside this umbrella you go from dusk to dawn music (dark to morning). Then what’s full-on, dinnertime?
- Don’t agree with my signature? Stop smoking incense my friend.
Thank you!! Good night and enjoy the music you like!
*crowd goes wild*
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Have to disagree on your signature as well. I don't think a producer is responsible for your trip. Maybe a producer would want to see you die to his music. You can never know, because you cannot look inside the producer's mind.
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Yes but you can feel his energy and his hearth and i think that is enough to know him through his music...like beethoven said" a musician can take the crowd into his deepest feelings through his music"
Boom :)
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Junya(Eskimo)
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Posted : Jan 24, 2006 04:05
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I will probably shoot myself in the foot here but here goes..
I think that music in what ever format is just simply "entertainment". There are so many genres now that some people plant their seeds in one place and because these genres inevitably evolve, some people feel alienated from what they once enjoyed...
But i think we should put the genres aside and just label this as "entertainment", some we like some we dont but if we label everything we will always be disappointed eventually...
I know it feels great when we all feel part of something but maybe because of this it is pulling us apart, its a tough thing to say but i feel like this...
Its kind of like religion.....There are so many, Its great that so many people feel part of a religion but because there are so many, we have war and hate....
Like you all said, just another opinion.
Ok, chew me to pieces isra guys..hehe
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