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spliffnik
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Posted : Oct 18, 2004 14:48
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Mike A's thread regarding full on music and the subsequent responses inspired me to ask a question I have been wondering about for a while....so please read if you feel like it, and share your opinion....
I have observed two very different pictures. One, is a gathering of people where the majority have no care about the message that is embodied in trance music. Another is a gathering with people who live that culture.
In Japan this is easy to see and feel. One has young kids snorting speed and coke on the dancefloor not giving a shit about the dancer next to him/her. They wear Louis Vuitton gear like it is a uniform. They understand nothing about the trance culture or what it stands for. These usually happen in clubs with overpriced cover charges. This is a perplexing phenomenon that has sprung up in the past two or three years.
The other type of gathering brings mostly people from all ages, all walks of life, from all countries. The main substance consumed here are of psychedlic nature. You can see and feel the diversity, and the acceptance of it. These people understand the culture, it is easy to see this by their actions. You can usually find this outdoors in the mountains, many of them are free.
Of course, there are the exceptions, not everyone at either party is all the same, etc etc.
But one thing I notice here, is that the first type of gathering plays the 'full-on' music. The second type of gathering plays psychedelic music, of which some are labeled 'goa-trance'.(Note: psychedelic music also can include full-on, I am not saying it is not psychedelic)
My question: what do you think is the relationship between the style of music, and the people it attracts? Again I will say there are exceptions, but this is the general trend I see here in Tokyo. Since things are usually done on such a massive scale here, it is easy to see the differences when they are so amplified. So, what is this relationship? Age/time of introduction to the music? Characteristics of the music? What in specific?
If any of you could put your finger on why this is so here in Tokyo, I would be very interested in hearing your opinions. I think there are many factors at play. I personally have my opinions about what both styles, but I can at least say I have fun dancing to both. The intention of this thread is not to bash one style or lay judgement, just to hear people's opinion on why they think this is so here in Tokyo and what possible relationship it may or may not have. I hope to hear objective opinions, not people getting heated or defensive.
Have a nice day.....and tell me something new!
-spliffnik
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ganjagil
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Posted : Oct 18, 2004 14:56
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I guess it's pretty easy considering how much the scene has grown...in my opinion the only difference between these two classes of people is that the ones coming for the so called full on are just there to take drugs and have fun whilst the other ones have experienced something more to life through the music, it is like baptism in Trance! One night of good trance music and the right crowd and moment will give you this baptism and then after that all is different all becomes much better at least this i know from experience...I mean that people who do not care about their neighbour have nothing to do with this egoless culture but still nowadays they are there and we accept that because it is in our culture to accept. Hope i was clear maybe some people will agree and some will not but it's just a few thoughts...
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a3k
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Posted : Oct 18, 2004 15:30
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well...i try 2 live that culture in all it´s plenitude..i do believe theres a message in the kind of music we luv!
in boom i really saw that spirit...a lot of people worried for our wellbeing..just 4 the pleasure of seing us doing fine...
i really believe theres a message..a culture..a way of living doing good 2 me and others...a certain "religion"...i do have faith!
i know that 2 someones is only music...2 those i respect them!..as do want their respect 2 me!it´s my way of being completly united with thix kinda of music!
"is a gathering with people who live that culture"..i see that way!
"The other type of gathering brings mostly people from all ages, all walks of life, from all countries. The main substance consumed here are of psychedlic nature. You can see and feel the diversity, and the acceptance of it. These people understand the culture, it is easy to see this by their actions. You can usually find this outdoors in the mountains, many of them are free."
yeah!that´s the spirit!!!!!!! (2 me of course)
i do respect others kind of visualisation of the scene!
"The second type of gathering plays psychedelic music, of which some are labeled 'goa-trance'.(Note: psychedelic music also can include full-on, I am not saying it is not psychedelic)" 2 exercise the mind...open new horizons...in this kind of music is "easier" 2 me reach certain kind of counscious, that with only music 4 music...the psychedelic music as a certain of encrypted message on it.
it is my way of seing things..not of all who like thix kind of music...it is my thoughts!
feel free 2 discuss them.
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Avishay
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Posted : Oct 18, 2004 15:31
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i dont know about tokyo scene much but it is my opinion that this is a global division, not only in trance btw, and so i will lay down my thoughts and see for yourself if it suits you :
* music is the major "energy giver" and "ambience creator" in a party, not the only one but it is one of the more noticeable part of the party (also are :crowd, club design or outside view, drugs and so on)
* now before i continue just one explanation : to ask who was first : the full on crowd or full on is a chiken and the egg question, so i assume they both came together and help each other exist (symbiosis  )
* so my observation is that what i call "kids" (not in age but in music prefrence) will be either very young in trance scene or very occupied in other aspects of the party (drugs, women\men) and so they can get their energy from the music part of the party quite easy (from inexperience or from not needing the music's energy because they get it somewhere else).
* for this crowd a special form of trance music was assigned : "full on" and again, i am not trashing all fast bpm tracks with "psy" sounds for those of you who think "oh man, another progressive dj trashing our music", just the ones that are so common that their sole purpose is to keep the crowd full speed on the floor without feeling anything.
* now the other type of crowed who i call "aged" crowd, and again, not in physical age, is typically either a person who is a veteran trancer, a new trancer but old aged, or just a person who likes listening to music and not just dance\eat drugs\ pick up babes to the sound of it. here is a crowed who likes his music to give him somehting other then high piched, low phased sounds to the brain, maybe a saying here and again, maybe a nice melody , mabe some psychedelik moments he never thought possible... in short : he wants to be chalanged mentally by the music, to say wow to a track.
* psychedelik like bonky, touchy like blt, soft like atmos, hard and to the point like psysex, never mind definitions of subgenres, there is a common divider to the group of people who make "real" trance music : they are also "aged" musicians. they make good, innovatiove, full of imagination, trance music, not just trance.. the soul between the sounds is the difference.
and this is the division between the styles and the people : trance music from aged artists to aged crowd, and "full on" trance by kids for kids.
* "by kids" - you may notice that most of the tracks played at your "snorting" parties are either by the BIG names (kinda like an mtv party) or made by literally kids (ages 12 - maturity of the mind). again im not saying all youngsters who are making music make it not good (look at motzart). i am saying that you have to be really something to make something as..... adult, to make music at a young age... and most... how should i say it... just aren't.
thats it, hope my theory works for you, i think it does for me, but i love criticism.
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Mat N
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Posted : Oct 18, 2004 16:45
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nice words avishai. your theory pretty much works for me too. maybe full on (as it is today with a few exceptions) is phase 1 for the young/new trancers who doesn't feel yet the need to be mentally challenged.
think of it- it's like love - the first step is when u fall in love which is mainly physical elements and only first impressions. step 2 is when physical attraction is not enough and then u need to be stimulated by mental or emotional ways. if it doesn't happen- then it's over and u r looking for something new... i'm not usually so romantic but this time i found this comparison fits 
cheers
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Oct 18, 2004 18:29
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some will lead and some other will follow...
There is a "psychedelic" scene that cares about the people around them, and about the nature and the music.....
and then there is a scene that cares about the money...
the capitalists will always be around the corner when a large mass of people gathers and wants to have fun...
i love those simple forest parties where people are there to enter a magical moment and let the energies flow... no one wants your money, just your positive vibe...
all you need is a mystical forest, a big cauldron with chai tee/mushroom tee and some joints..
laters
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Oct 18, 2004 18:50
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the scene u talkin abt is rampant all over the globe.
U hear so many opinions about this. There have been numerous threads abt the reason for this explosion of psytrance today.
i personally am more inclined towards ambient trance.The chilled out stuff. Hallucinogen and Ott are some artists that can really make me feel wonderful. WOnderful to be alive, to be a part of this culture and most importantly to be aware of this genre of music. Sometimes i wonder what i woulda done without psymusic in my life. 
Truth be told ,i have a cd for every one of my moods. Pop it in and some semblance of normality returns.
Recently i was browsing through my collection and i touched upon my dusty, forgotten 'Dark side of the Moon' cd.
Just let Music be your sanctuary .Let Music be your blanket.
Dont worry about the rest. We have enuf problems in this world as it is.
Love'n'Light.
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Oct 18, 2004 23:01
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NoKeyAah, i was just about to say something in the same line...
now i dont need to |
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Watter
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Posted : Oct 18, 2004 23:34
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I belive we are drifting away from the topic that I belive was about the diferrence between the "lovers" of the different trends within Trance.
what I have seen is a very evolved disscution about it in this thread. My belifs are that there is music out there for every mood and so I think ppl should oppen their minds to every style. Full on IMHO is a more ..... well lets say "simple" song than lets say prog ou groove, and so for ppl who are less used to this kind of music, it is the entrece port.....
Well that is MO and I hope it is not to confusing....
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Oct 19, 2004 02:39
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Watter - money takes the spirit out of things, so we are not drifting away from the topic...
the topic in my opinion is about the spirit of the psychedelic trance scene... and the spirit is clearly decreasing for me at least...
i think the message got lost somewhere... the message of freedom has become a multi million dollar industry..
i dont know but latley iv been put off by all these trends and so little inspiring fullon music... no names no flames
but i still got hopes for the future, lots of talanted artists with new ideas....
lets just hope that they keep their music hidden from all the greedy people that just waits for a new hype...
lets not get put of by my negativety.... i really love this kind of music, but i miss the creativity....
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dance&smile
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Posted : Oct 19, 2004 03:20
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i have a thought about the japanese scene..
japanese have always loved pounding beats.
(i mean ever see a japanese basball game? throughout the whole game, they beat these drums and megaphones in a 4-to-the-floor type rhythm and sing and dance.) and plus there is the matsuri (festivals) where people just go crazy..
it's in our blood!
i think these influences might be a reason so many japanese caught on to full-on as a way to fulfill cravings.. (with the help of mass media) there are a lot of young people who want to release energy, not think about the meaning of the soundz.. the 'more energetic the soundz the better' kind of mentality..(hehe.. i like this mentality too, though i also like psy..)
anywayz, as for the young speed/energy party freaks in japan, i think there is no better way for them to spend their time, then at parties!! where eventually they will learn from the other party people that smiling is good, looking out for the other party people is good.. peace & love is good..
spreadin the message!
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YaManjA
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Posted : Oct 19, 2004 11:41
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hi...what u r say in here isnt a new thing bro...
its was in the past and its stile now and i belive forever!
the trance culture like u know is very big 1 like u say ther is ppl like this and like that...so what i say is that first of all try to give chance to other ppl that choce them way and second the psytrance scene live like this always and we stile rocking and love her so i dont see any problem in here...
i see alot of words that ppl say in here sometimes and i dont understand what the conection with psytrance?!
its see like ppl go to party's only to say that they was in party and to say how much ugly ppl was ther only for the criticism this things dosnt have nothing to do with psytrance!!!!
now lets go to roll some joint i need to think about what i say here hehehehe....
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ganjagil
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Posted : Oct 19, 2004 13:33
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When i read all of your words i realise that the culture is still the same and this makes me really happy! Even though as you all agree the scene has grown out of hand but you know small parties with good music and good people can give you that special time we are all looking for! This culture exists inside of every single one of us some are aware some aren't but in all it's just the plain truth!
Your sound, is your music, is your soul keep them all on the right track!
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