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Frequencys and wavelengths

sorceress
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Posted : Jun 14, 2005 14:32
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On 2005-06-13 21:12, Yuli wrote:

There is a lot of cycling in the sound frequencies, many times it reminds me a lot of the structure of a diamond ( sorry cant elaborate on that, since I dont understand myself fully either )

Human ear hardly can hear below 40 - 50 hz but the body does feel the very low sounds easily. About the high ones, it is very hard to spot frequencies above 16000, again it is more something for the subconscience in my opinion.




so we do feel all that we do not hear.

and it does have effect on us... some times we know and some times we dont.

ok.

i was speaking to a friend of mine who is an audio engineer he was talking about some spectrum of music... where diff instruments are used to fill in diff gaps so that music sounds good... whole... complete.

its also mentioned above that each body has its own fequency so its cool if diff people like diff kinda music ranging from Dark to full on as the freequencies and spectrums might suit them.

hey can anyone gimme an example where sound turns into heat energy???
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mysticmessiah


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Posted : Jun 14, 2005 16:48
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On 2005-06-14 14:32, sorceress wrote:

hey can anyone gimme an example where sound turns into heat energy???





to understnd this v need 2 understnd heat energy first...

unlike common belief, heat energy is NOT abt da temp of any matter...

heat energy is the enrgy in any mass causd by thermal vibrations of molecules...

in other words, heat energy is causd by da motion of da particles dat mke up dat matter.

nw v all knw dat sound needs a medium 2 travel... sound doesn't ACTUALLY travel it mkes da molecules of da medium 2 vibrate. it's these vibrations dat travel n reach our ears.

da medium thru which sound travels defi has heat energy since its molecules r undergoin thermal vibratns... hwever, wen da medium is air, heat energy produced is miniscule since da molecules r spaced very far frm each othr n thr's nt much bumping dat takes plc btwn them...

if, on the other hand, da medium is a solid, whr da particles r much more closer, da heat energy produced wud b more since thr's more of bumping tkin plc...

to round it up, sound can INDEED b cnvrtd 2 heat energy, but since da medium of sound is mostly air, v do nt percieve da heat energy present...

i hope dat explains it...           ~~ I'm a guest in my own Reality~~
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jaramogi
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Posted : Jun 14, 2005 16:55
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Human ear hardly can hear below 40 - 50 hz but the body does feel the very low sounds easily. About the high ones, it is very hard to spot frequencies above 16000, again it is more something for the subconscience in my opinion.



what i know the lowest freq. the body can feel is the "Subkontra C" its at ca. 16Hz
sorceress
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Posted : Jun 14, 2005 20:15

so sound is felt by body to as low as 16 hz...

i think we can feel sounds of even lower frequencies.

and the medium in which sound travels does heat up due to vibrations...

so if high frequency loud sound comes in contact with our body the molecules will react in a perticular way... we can start sweating.

uuuuuuum

i think we've all felt that.

so if over the years people have used music to reach a perticular state of trance it is done deal... we all agree with that.

now this gets more absurd...

long time back in india they had perticular raagas and they said... if u sing one perticular one it would always rain.

they used music for diff things

we all have read stories of people dancing on volcanos to calm them down.

what can we say to that

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sherlockalien
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Posted : Jun 15, 2005 01:38
not to sound like a gurdjieff fanatic, which Im not at all (just think he has some very interesting things to add), one more thing he says in his 'Beelzebub's tales to his grandson', is how specific sounds, if properly made, can indeed do almost anything.. He mentions an experiment of a guy that had a specially built piano of specific materials and tuned in specific frequencies. So in this experiment the guy presses certain keys in a certain order, and on the left leg of everybody in the room, the knee swells in the exact same spot, and forms a sort of blister.. and when he presses other keys, the blister dissapears

on the same experiment, he shows how even light and sounds can interact, if they are correctly made. He shows how some sound can interfere with light.. Though he says that the sevenfold-aspect-of-light that we know of (red orange yellow green blue indigo violet) is actually the 'negative' light, and not really the positive, and that you need some special prism to get the positive light (he even mentions some weird thing like orange light actually being complete darkness, or smt like that)..

and on the same experiment he shows how matter can also interract with it.. So he gets a part of the papoula flower, and he shows how shinning certain lights or using certain sounds, you can separate it's individual properties, or how when interacting separate parts of the papoula flower, you can get different sounds or colours, etc... so in the end, the experiment was like a proof of how everything, light sound and even material things were all made of the exact same law, the octave...
sorceress
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Posted : Jun 15, 2005 10:45


Hmm hence
Each musical note, for instance, has a corresponding color, element, energy center in the human body, and electromagnetic frequencies that it resonates with. Brainwaves of a specific frequency, for instance, may be induced by sounds, colors, elements, and electromagnetic fields that are in harmonic relationships. A musical melody may be decoded into a chemical formula. A molecular substance may be interpreted as a musical melody. These harmonic relationships are present in all of reality. If you look for them you will find that many common objects display secrets that would be hidden without this basic understanding.Understanding that these octaves of reality extend from sub-atomic particles through the electromagnetic spectrum to the chemical elements to sound waves and brain waves and that each of these facets relate harmoniously to each other is the beginning of a new wisdom.

this is Alchemical Octave law           Dont thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously use your intelligence
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Gopendragon
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Posted : Jun 15, 2005 15:38
what about those wavelenghts and spacefrequencies that scientist from nasa receives from outer space?
inteligence life in sound form, a doorway communication with aliens?
In the bible says that god were comunicate with angel by thoughtwaves,vibration form not by talking in speech,and he created the human being as something perfect cause of the voice...and so satan who couldnt talk left heaven and fallen in hell...
ohm...and then thought projections of creation taken form shapes and colors...life...
native shaman indians where dancing with drum beats to give such an effect in earth to rain...plants react in each diferent wavelength...they could not talk but are able to receive our vibration...
there where a yogi who put a small seed into the ground who concetrated all of his thought waves in such a frequency that after a half an hour the seed came out and flow green!!!
so the secret of meditation is to collect as much wavelengths in one point like a leizer in a ballanced way and create a powerfull electromagnetic field in front of our eyes,be so much subtle able to exist in every different frequency...
do re mi fa so la si, seven notes like seven chackras,everything is related each other...
when we thought we produce a kind of energy,and a very low electricity with our thought waves ,just imagine when we meditate and being concetrated with all of our thought and energy in one point how that bidu point is charged with energy and electricity more and more and that magnetic field we produce became stronger...
just think of that when you meditate...and feel that it happens...magic...
@sorceress you always speak(write)like a scientist with such an interersting subject,bravo keep on doing that we need such a wise minds giving light in the forum...!!!           ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
sherlockalien
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Posted : Jun 16, 2005 01:12
very well said, sorceress

and you too gopendra


very interesting topic
sorceress
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Posted : Jun 16, 2005 13:01



thanks

it all began at a party where i saw colours come out of the monitors
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sorceress
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Posted : Jun 16, 2005 13:20

it is true that despite of having all the facts and figures we still find it so hard to believe that it is all in the head.

@ Gopendra

NASA recieving frequencies from the space...

now again we talking about aliens

but its a crazy thought

8-------8---------8------8---------8-------8------8-----

if the sun was the mitrochondria, ATP was light, Cytoplasm was Atmosphere, Ribosomes where planets then each cell would be a universe... just like ours.

and we see many galaxies and ours is just one of them... another cell to make some thing bigger.

in olden days Rishi Agastha wrote the future of all humans on earth... it is accesable today too.

when asked how he did it he said information is all around u one just has to tune in.

astrology is also the science of time and building material... that time they used the exact position of stars to decipher time.

coming back to music... the Artist makes some tunes because he hears it in his head... it comes from the collective consiousness.

the DJ plays the tune when he gets the vibes from the collective consiousness of the people on the location.... call it mood.

so at that time that music had to happen,

it is we who made it for we percieve it, we dance and smile to it.

no wonder we know how to groove to it.

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Fingax
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Posted : Jun 19, 2005 18:36
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On 2005-06-14 14:32, sorceress wrote:
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On 2005-06-13 21:12, Yuli wrote:

There is a lot of cycling in the sound frequencies, many times it reminds me a lot of the structure of a diamond ( sorry cant elaborate on that, since I dont understand myself fully either )

Human ear hardly can hear below 40 - 50 hz but the body does feel the very low sounds easily. About the high ones, it is very hard to spot frequencies above 16000, again it is more something for the subconscience in my opinion.




humans listen 20 HZ no prob. only if u have a prob in your ear. ( the truth really is that u must may good money for a speackers that can play that freq. most dont play under 30hz. Try to go to a mastering room and u see what u listen ) bellow 20 hz is harder to listen( most ppl dont listen) but shure we felt!
about the high freq. same thing. the standard is 20Khz for humans. Of course we can feel over it too!

if u know the NEVE consoles, the guy that creates them (Neve) actually haves a funny story about it. and its reallated to the ultrasonic sounds (over 20Khz). maby he didnt listen it. but he felt there was something missing! now u havve that Massive quality console Neve one the best out there. ( lots of models)

but if u want to hear the full freq. spectrum u must buy some exelent monitors well over the 2000 and 3000 dollars for example.

About the sound theory u talked about, u said some things true but i think u r confusing something. the sound haves lots of cycling and looks like diamond? hug.. can't understand.
Frequencies are described in Heartz HZ. 1 hz is 1 cycle pushing and pulling air. U can play 1 HZ with your harm, just pushit and pullit 1 time per second. shure u wont listen nmothing is 1 Hz we're talking about. Now if u push and pull your harm 440 times in 1 sec. shure u will listen a lovely A4. (quite impossible to do it.. not even bruce lee.. hehe)
So u see about the speakers. u dont see ur speacker cone moving 1 time per second pushing and pulling do u? is impossible. and if u want to see it moving 20 times in a sec. ( the 20hz u talking) u must need a mastering monitors and a psychoacoustic optimized room cause the room were u are can "mask " or "eat" some freq. and reinforce others. and is just the room shape and walls.
but yhea if u want t oenter further more into the Audio world i advice u to go buy some boooks so that way u can be clarifyed and helps u for ur future.
But MAJORITY of PPL DONT give a cheat about it!
Mp3 is a compression method that ANIQUILATES frequencies "HE" thinks u will not preceiv.. so tell me.. How ppl going to realise what they have in front of them if their ears are not trained even! cause most ppl listen mp3 and theyr happy with it, even knowing that dont have THOSE freq. that really maKes the diffrence, Not in terms og what u hear( in fact yes, fucks a track completlly even in 320) and most is they are training their ears to get USTED to defect.
SAME with copied DVD. commo the image sucks if u put the original on the side.. although if ppl dont listen and see the original, the burned copie is just fine.. its sad.. that way its not FOR ALL
boom
ocelot
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 13:58
its true that a simple increase in volume makes many people respond to a track as if its a more powerful track.
a truly powerful track will work as well of course

if i put a compressor and eq on a synth and let someone play it they will find the sound to be a more amazing sound than if i just let them play with it with out the effects.
raw amplitude often wins. this is why people turn it up and distort the dj mixer and stuff as its an obvious primal instinct to "make more loud!!!" and the only problem is like with distorting the dj mixer and making crappy sound...
sorceress
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Posted : Jun 24, 2005 16:52


@Fingax

i know what u talking about here we have a beautiful studio designed on the room in a room way... there are no sound leaks and not reverb.

sound there is fab.

about MP3's i first realised what MP3 did to a song after hearing a compressed version of the immigrants song by Led Zep. there voice... u can actually hear the voice breaking as he screams.

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