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sorceress
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 18:10
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a Human ear can hear Frequencies from 20 Hz to 20 Kilo Hz.
frequencies are nothing but vibrations with differnt wavelenght.
wavelenght is the length of one cycle that is occilation from 0 Degrees to 360 degrees.
the lowest frequency human ear can hear is 20 hz. that means there are 20 cyles in one second. and here each wave is 17.2 meters long for formulae of wavelenght is speed of sound devided by frequency.
the more energy onto the wave the louder is the sound. its called amplitude.
we hear a hosts of frequencies every second that too at diff amplitudes.
our brains registers each frequency and amplitude and next time we hear the same we can instantly recognise it.
thats how our typhanic membrane in the ear registers sound
thats how we hear... the basis of communication
now it is clear sound effects us in a perticular way... it even effects the cosmos the same way too.
it is also true that due to some diff in our genetic structure that we percieve sound differently
the same way do u think if am standing right next to the speakers at a party where sound is much louder... i get more energy... am more energised.
yo comments people for this is too much info for me to digest alone
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VertigOA
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 18:17
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On 2005-06-09 18:10, sorceress wrote:
the same way do u think if am standing right next to the speakers at a party where sound is much louder... i get more energy... am more energised.
yo comments people for this is too much info for me to digest alone
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I think you'll be deaf before long. You are killing your ears man.
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mandelbrot
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 21:10
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On 2005-06-09 18:10, sorceress wrote:
the same way do u think if am standing right next to the speakers at a party where sound is much louder... i get more energy... am more energised.
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Are you serious? If it works for you, fine, but for me loudness has little to do with what energy I get from music. Music itself is much more important, as you said yourself, how we perceive/interpret it.
Regarding all the physical stuff you described... it is fascinating stuff, especially the more you think about it  . Same thing with vision...all what you see are also waves, just different frequency… actually all our senses are just how we interpret signals from receptors. And the brain is just an "interpretation machine". And where are YOU in this machine you would never know...Yeay!! 
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Tzvetelin
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 22:14
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You`re killing your ears and brain.Don`t do this,please:} |
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Posted : Jun 10, 2005 03:42
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On 2005-06-09 18:10, sorceress wrote:
a Human ear can hear Frequencies from 20 Hz to 20 Kilo Hz.
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Not quite true. Most humans can detect frequencies of up to around 25khz and some claim to be able to hear frequencies of up to 55khz.
Otherwise, a really nice explanation of the mechanics of sound.
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Jun 10, 2005 03:45
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Actually, it doesnt even makes sense..
You can argue that you like to stand near the speaker because you have that bass energy coming towards your body..
But actually you are just being pumped with huge ammounts of medium and high frequencys, wich are very very bad for your ears.
As you say in your own post, a powerfull bass wave takes somes meters before reaching his full lenght.. So you'll actually feel more bass pump if you get back a few steps 
If you still consider dancing in front of the speakers at partys, at list think about getting a pair of ear plugs. They will do your ears job, filtrating part of the resonating frequencys and the loudness itself. |
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sorceress
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Posted : Jun 10, 2005 09:24
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ha ha ha
no no i was not gonna stand that close to the speakers... i require lot more space for my hop skip and jump routine and i would not want to crash into the speakers 
but u know... Beethowen was deaf at the time he composed the symphonies... they say he made musci as he walked bare foot on the floor listening to the vibration...
so is tymphanic membrane which together probably is smaller than a coin responsible for all the hearing we do????
so not just the sound but the vibrations also matter
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sorceress
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Posted : Jun 10, 2005 09:30
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On 2005-06-09 21:10, mandelbrot wrote:
Same thing with vision...all what you see are also waves, just different frequency… actually all our senses are just how we interpret signals from receptors. And the brain is just an "interpretation machine". And where are YOU in this machine you would never know...Yeay!!
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we are interpretation machines...
heh
thought we were reactors and actors
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Jun 11, 2005 23:43
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On 2005-06-10 09:24, sorceress wrote:
ha ha ha
no no i was not gonna stand that close to the speakers... i require lot more space for my hop skip and jump routine and i would not want to crash into the speakers
but u know... Beethowen was deaf at the time he composed the symphonies... they say he made musci as he walked bare foot on the floor listening to the vibration...
so is tymphanic membrane which together probably is smaller than a coin responsible for all the hearing we do????
so not just the sound but the vibrations also matter
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Actually I heard that he would put is head on the piano while playing to feel the harmonic vibration...
Well, imagine what that was for him. Music was his life and yet something devastating like loosing his most precious sense, happened. Its bad :S I would want that to me. |
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 03:30
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on the subject.. nice to notice that frequencies follow the law of octaves...
we see that ancient cultures already knew a lot about the ´science of vibrations´, and it´s influence on living things and even ´inanimate´ too..
Gurdjieff, for example, talked a lot about octaves.. For him, together with the Trinity (Afirming, Denying, Reconciling), its one of the 2 major universal laws, and thats why we see so much of the Trinity (like the Holy Father, Holy Son, Holy Spirit, in christianism, or the 3 Kayas in buddhism, or in the hinduism, etc etc) and the octave..
We can also see the octave in the 7 colours of the visual electromagnetic spectrum.. They also interfere with us and our psyche and with living beings in specific ways... Though as it seems, the more ´objective´ division of the colours is not exactly as the one we know it today
Even the periodic table of the chemical elements is p octaval´.. the 8th group, are the noble gases, the elements that dont react.. but also this division of chemistry is not so ´objective´ as it supposedly could be..
All humans also have their own ´total´ frequency vibrating... As physics knows, everything, even the molecules are vibrating... Vibrations interphere with each other.. We have different vibrations in each cell, then specific vibrations of the different organs, and they all add up to form our own total frequency...
lots of other things in this subject, its all so interesting, but yeah thats it for now hehe |
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sorceress
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 20:24
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hmmm
so for the trinity in colors we have the three primary colors... red blue and green at distinct frequencies.
red is high, grean is medium and blue is low.
hot, good and cold.
chillies, spinach and ...
so that would mean that are our six senses are percieving the similar kind of frequencies in diff ways.
and we all have our own frequencies too.
in Ayurveda we do have three diff kinds of body types... Vata, Pitta and Khapa.
all three have diff characteristics... mainly based on metabolism.
Vata type would never put on weight as his metabolism rate is higher... the vibration is faster hence requires more energy...
Kapha type has a low metabolism rate... puts on weight more easily.
interesting
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Yuli
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 21:12
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On 2005-06-13 03:30, sherlockalien wrote:
on the subject.. nice to notice that frequencies follow the law of octaves...
we see that ancient cultures already knew a lot about the ´science of vibrations´, and it´s influence on living things and even ´inanimate´ too..
Gurdjieff, for example, talked a lot about octaves.. For him, together with the Trinity (Afirming, Denying, Reconciling), its one of the 2 major universal laws, and thats why we see so much of the Trinity (like the Holy Father, Holy Son, Holy Spirit, in christianism, or the 3 Kayas in buddhism, or in the hinduism, etc etc) and the octave..
We can also see the octave in the 7 colours of the visual electromagnetic spectrum.. They also interfere with us and our psyche and with living beings in specific ways... Though as it seems, the more ´objective´ division of the colours is not exactly as the one we know it today
Even the periodic table of the chemical elements is p octaval´.. the 8th group, are the noble gases, the elements that dont react.. but also this division of chemistry is not so ´objective´ as it supposedly could be..
All humans also have their own ´total´ frequency vibrating... As physics knows, everything, even the molecules are vibrating... Vibrations interphere with each other.. We have different vibrations in each cell, then specific vibrations of the different organs, and they all add up to form our own total frequency...
lots of other things in this subject, its all so interesting, but yeah thats it for now hehe
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 it was really interesting to see u mention Gurdjieff... I was digging his stuff alot in context to chinese medicine and philosophy - but he definitely had a lot to do with philosophy of music..
There is a lot of cycling in the sound frequencies, many times it reminds me a lot of the structure of a diamond ( sorry cant elaborate on that, since I dont understand myself fully either )
Human ear hardly can hear below 40 - 50 hz but the body does feel the very low sounds easily. About the high ones, it is very hard to spot frequencies above 16000, again it is more something for the subconscience in my opinion.
Very good topic
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 22:05
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indeed interesting, sorceress
according to those definitions I would be ´vata´.. Impossible to gain weight, I just eat eat eat and stay skinny hehe..
yuli,
gurdjieff´s philosophy incorporate a huge scope of subjects indeed.. From the re-reading/writting of historic facts, to showing new views on what is really religion, criticism to conditioned human behavior, different types of medicine and philosophy, etc.. I just mentioned more specifically a bit about the musical/vibrational part because its isratrance afterall hehe..
Gudjieff not only talked a lot about music, and together with this De Hartmann (Thomas?) guy..
Not only music, but he gave special emphasis on his Sacred Dances.. His dances had a lot of influence from the Swirling Dervishes, but he added a few special things to it..
According to him, there are 2 kinds of ´art´ (music, painting, dancing, etc)... the objective art, and the subjective art... subjective art are interpreted in whatever way depending on the person, and that´s all there is to it.. objective art also includes a certain ´message´ which anybody who has reached a certain level of Knowledge will react in the same way..
In ancient times, Secret (or Spiritual) Knowledge was passed from teachers to initiates, because if it reaches normal people, they would distort this information as usual (just like religions get distorted, and everything else, in the end resembling nothing like the original)..
So what the ancients did, the ones who had knowledge, is used in their favour the Octave Law and passed hidden messages, so that if the Initiatory system failed, the messages would be encoded in different forms of art... and this encoding worked in the following way:
The law of the octave has a specific natural flow.. Lets give as an example Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Si (and with the ´intervals´ between Mi and Fa, and Si and the next Do.. and Im also not writting the half or quarter or whatever notes, but you get what I mean: there is an order)..
So what the ancients did was, specifically change the order of the flow, and in the ´calculated inexatitudes´ of the law of sevenfoldness (or octave) is where the hidden message resided..
Or in the paintings, the same occured.. Instead of colours following a natural order, the natural order was changed in specific ways so that the message was hidden in the inexactitudes
or in the dances.. Muscle tensions and movements also obbey the same law.. So when some special tension was supposed to occur, the sacred dances changed it, so instead of a natural order of an arm movement, they moved the feet, for example, and residing there it was a message..
supposedly Da Vinci was one of the ones that was aware of this..
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jun 14, 2005 03:52
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interesting stuff indeed...
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sorceress
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Posted : Jun 14, 2005 13:56
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@ sherlockalien
amazing info...
even i gotta check out gurdjieff
but
Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Si
i did not understand...
as far as i know about codes
in eastern worlds they coded mesgs in poems and stories in west Newton wrote Principia and Einstien wrote his papers.
using special symbols and equations which only a few round the world have uncoded.
its a brilliant thing to do.
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