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Free parties eh?

Polyester Corespun


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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 01:25
Oh yes this is the glorious confusion of freedom in Greece, as it is with so many other things....

Not to mention that after reading how this discussion on http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/74444/forum/17 has been going on,
I’m more than far convinced that such free parties DO NOT help the scene, but I guess that if I had said it straight up in my first post in this thread I would have to cope with the traitor-betrayer label in my forehead for weeks!!

And I’ll try to support my view by not referring to specific persons/teams:

The “I-wanna-be-a-promoter-and-I-will-but-I-dont-have-the-money-and-the-guts-yet” mania has caused awful damage to the scene, because those maniacs manipulate the ppl’s desire for cheap/free parties and see themselves as the saviors who will feed the hungry crowds with tsampa trance. I have not seen this on TV, I see it happening in reality, mostly in Thess and Athens because the province is another story (ppl there are really doing the best they can).

So, even if there are certain honest moves by persons/teams ( they are usually dudes around the age of 30 ) who have really kept a special place in their hearts about what we could call “the idealistic trance scene and culture”, those moves are only the bright weak exception to a rule of powerful stupidity that governs all around.

Well those persons/teams should not have to worry about anything that goes wrong in their free gigs (cops, junkies, asxetiles etc) because their pure devotion and trust in trance is safe and sound and cannot be mistaken into the public’s mind and apart from this, some of them have made a choice of life by remaining on the margins of a corrupt sociopolitical system which they attack in every opportunity.

About free’s in universities I must say the following:
Most times ( of course not always necessary) you must at least have been a student in a Greek university to understand that such a place will always be the cradle of so many movements and theories of charged criticism against the system and the social order, and to realize that whatever musical or artistic manifestation happening in a university area has a revolutionary implication underneath.

I hope I don’t have to to explain this much further in here but....how can I say this….WE DON’T MAKE PARTIES IN UNIVERSITIES JUST BECAUSE WE CAN’T FIND ANY OTHER PLACE AVAILABLE! This is outrageous and shameful and disgrace! If you want to make a party me to zori and if you want to prove your good intentions to entertain the masses for free just go find a club, a dingy warehouse, your home backyard, your sea house and make it happen.

The Greek university grants you with the right to protest and resist against all those things you find so vain and unright in this unconceivable world, it gives you the opportunity to attract the ppl’s attention through music, say what you have to say and spread those views and theories you think it’s worth fighting for. When you just take advantage of this privilege for your personal reasons, this doesn’t make you a promoter, it makes you a clown.
DETOX
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 01:38
Massive Respect to Polyester Corespun for these words.

Hope everyone reads them carefully and do some thinking after that.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
tim@motion


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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 11:22
Always interesting to read polyester's posts. You always go deeeep in the very sesnsitive meanings of things.
I will agree with everything you said cause you realy have a way to back up your arguments completely, and this is a very strong weapon when you have to state sth.

I will just add that all the "big" political movements make partys at the universities with 5-6 euro entrance.I am sure that every week you can see the posters....pasp presents...dap presents etc etc. I think that all this commercialisation of the universities have started out of them. Plus that they fill the city (thessaloniki) with thousands of posters and they use "glutolini" to do so. Sth that makes the work of the municipal cleaners a real nightmare.
I will keep in mind the way you started this post.
"oh yes. This is the glorious confusion of freedom in Greece" realyyyyy nice.

Have a nice day           don't fuck with me
griniaris
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 12:42
Well well Greek forum is back!!! And of course the two high (sh..t) class promoters were the first who answered to this post of mister philosopher isratrance member! I am going to pute! What is going on here? Another anarchist! Jesus they are all over!! "university grants you with the right to protest and resist against all those things you find so vain and unright"????????? Kalws to Polutexneio re!!! This fighters that we have here are for tomatoes! Yes what a protest it is to go with ropala les kai einai o Hraklis kai to xrisomalo deras!! Steal everything, hit ppl and yes the world will change!Sure!! First of all they are not all the same who are making the parties at the univ. and who told you that they all share the idea i wanna be a promoter and i don't know how etcetcetcetc. get real mate!
Detox: When you will start respect ppl and stop stealing like you own everything come and tell us who must read and think carefully!
Tim: There is no deep meaning in his words just theory as always and what is that about glutolini? Jesus.
X-rust: When I say I pay 30 euros i speak on behalf of the crowd who attend the parties and give their money and the least they expect is security protection for their life it doesn't matter if I pay or not, if I choose the free parties or the 30euros entrance! Got it?
Now continue your great and glorious unbased theories and I hope i won't read anything in the future and loose all my hair.           Don't Fuck With Me!
DETOX
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 13:14
Ehm me stealing like i own everything?Sorry but can you be more specific on this one please?I would really like to hear the explanation behind this phrase.

P.S 1 Just in case you didnt notice (or you decided to not notice) there is another post of mine in the bottom of the second page which i think you should really read before talking about respect in this forum.

P.S 2 Tim you are high class promoter too?Welcome to the club mate lol.          Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
griniaris
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 13:26
Exactly as you said so in this other page is what YOU wrote, your way of story! And since we are talking about pages why don't you read all the pages of isratrance were no one respects you cause you never respected anyone!!!! And man we are talking about the whole forum!!           Don't Fuck With Me!
DETOX
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 13:49
Yes ofcourse noone respects me cause they respect you lol.....

I said what i have to say and people have eyes and can read and mind and can think           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
sahedelic
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 13:52
The usual Detox
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Koumpi Or Mitsubi?????
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atlanticark


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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 14:29
And the usual Griniaris....

Anywayz! No need to get personal here. However moments of clarity are rare in here and they deserve our attention and appreciation. So Polyester's post is thought-provoking, to say the least. Griniari i am not sure what to make of your reaction, not least, because i don't really get what's your point. However your continuing struggle to show how well integrated you are in the social fabric is amusing!

Since i am fully on board with Polyester in here i will just try to reproduce his point in plain Greeklish: Do not confuse tin pou...tsa me ti bourtsa.

I never really digged the idea of trance in Universities.


Blue Thunder
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 14:58
And who are you??           Freedom
d1m1tr1
Dark Elf

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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 15:26
ok many things being analysed on this subject...
i agree with some, with other no at all.
first of all i dont consider my self a promoter.
i try to be a dj and artist (and it takes a life!) and then i only wanted to do some parties for this music and having fun.
and i have lets say 'live' this subject, coz we organized 3 free events in quite one year...
the last one was quite big, and i stressed out a lot but finally ok...
everybody speaks always of natural high, they're not the only to try for free events, in Athens u'll find us and also Paranormal Research or Trance Mafia, and maybe other teams i dont even know
i say bravo to all of them, for trying for free, and hope they will continue...
i agree once again with the words of Xrtc...
after weighting everything i must say i will continue to be FOR free parties.
what we tend to do when we party in a university is to have if possible 'students', so yes, many people come for free or to hv a good time, and many dont know about the music, but i think that for our scene its a very good way to expand this music we love.
we dont need the dancefloor to be trance-addicted 100%, i feel good when i see ppl dancing on this music even if i know this is not their 1st music
thats why we must hv generally events of all kind, free like this, or commercial to hear big names. balanced things.
now, lets say for the location, we dont party in universities coz they are the only available places... we party there coz it is the best places, biggest places, many indoor/ outdoor possibilities, and of course no need to stress out about cops, i dont say that for drugs use, i say that for the party not to stop and everything u've done for this wonderful night fail...
coz cops closing clubs in Athens its very frequent u all know that, corruption and connections are a way of life in Greece...
then ok we try for the concept of FREE parties. sure everything is allowed so there are going to be some difficulties, but generally i think that finally u will all see the good side of this concept, which matches with universitary concept also.
we have peaceful visions, and i consider what i've done, more like a 'music fest', tryin to show a certain style of psy trance, without charging ppl for discovering this.
as for anarchist for sure in saloniki if u put 8euros entrance in a university party u'll hv problems.
see in Athens nobody dared to put entrance in polytechnioupoli ever !!!not even with Electric Universe as guests !!! and its one of the biggest names in the scene hehe

independant promoters or party teams cant do that, cant put any entrance fee...
only political universitaries organizations, who hv lot of rights when organizing events do this.
anyway i hope the concept will continue as peacefully as possible, with respect and better energy, but surely i dont want it being a 'moda' here in Greece.
again : try carefully and for balanced things

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tim@motion


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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 23:24
Griniari what the hell !!! I am refering to the political university posters regarding university parties. They are all over town for months cause of this f**ng material (glutolini)
And i don't care if this post of polyester is a theoretical one. It is well writen and backed up with serious arguments. All practical results in this world came up out of a theory afterall don't you agree? And even if nothing comes up, at least you get some serious brainfood out of this post.

You also have serious arguments. Try and back them up properly , not by calling names like sh*t class promoters etc. You lose your right to be listened acting like this.

You know very well that i stoped believing in the "theory of trance" after 10 years of serious damage within this sh*t. If some posts like polyester's are about to move my sences a bit...well i will be very very glad to listen carefully.
Afterall i prefer to read and listen to such aproaches to the subject, rather than listening about "spiritual" "goa" theories...if you know what i mean.


DETOX we are not high class promoters. We are high SH*T class promoters. Promoters sh*t class is a privileged upgraded one. We stink and this protects us from attracting undesirable human beeings around us. (although flies are a bit annoying lately )


          don't fuck with me
DETOX
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 23:43
Thanks Tim for the explanation.

I am so proud of my new status           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Stazi


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Posted : Nov 5, 2005 01:24
I am so proud too for you guys.
Shit promoters,Burned Trancers.
This is our scene and i've missed it.           www.dot.uk.com
andonis
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Nov 8, 2005 16:12
Free parties for free people . I'm so glad these are happenning. This was not always the case. Not having the money to attend a party you are dying to attend(or simply hear your favourite music) as is the case with many psytrancers especially young ones makes you realize the fabric our society and scene are made of. Good luck to anyone trying to change this. As for trouble the best way to avoid it, is to have a team of more persons when organizing a party in order to be able to protect themselves, the party and the crowd. And I'm not talking about security; just helping people in need, e.g. one getting beaten out of ten(the rest can simply watch and say it is none of their business).
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