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Free parties eh?

sahedelic
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 16:00
We must meet eachother man,i like you very much
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griniaris
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 16:08
And something else, of course it is promoters fault when the same promoters are anarchy ppl and 100 cops starts throwing smoke all over the place full of innocent ppl who are just dancing! When you organize events you take up to your head 1000 ppl the least! Do you imagine to go to Neraida with 1000 ppl inside and the promoter do not have security and suddenly you tern your head and see Rohamis standing next to you? Or suddenly to see nothing than smoke and think at that time "oh what a Hoffman that was"! Take care of your self and your friends? Are you joking? I pay 30 euros at Neraida and the promoter must protect me or I don't give that money I choose the free party at the univ. but I do not want the f...ing anarchy arround me with the smoke in my mouth and thats promoters job!! And I am the crowd and I demand that f....ing protection from them! And if something happends to me or my friends kounia pou tous kounage!
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nikos s

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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 16:15
First of all i didnt realize you were from thessaloniki, the two teams i talked about are the ones who do the free parties here in athens, i dont really know the situation in thessaloniki, who organises what and what's going on at the parties there..
Second, yes iraklis charges some times when the party is in a club (and with guests), but he charges minimum amounts and if u knew the guy u'd underdstand that he is not in it for the money NO WAY...
Also what r u saying ??? keno diktio brought the cops ???? the cops were there for a reason (apart from the obvious reason of the fascist gathering and the trouble caused by them and in response to their march), they busted our parties in clubs making us afraid to go out, now that we go to the university more often they decided they needed to do smthng.. they put a big cop bus outside of the gate when they knew that this would cause trouble, since a number of no brain kids (who are definatelly not anarchists but hooligans) would be there, smthng not strange if u consider the amount of people who attended.. The following week (before the d n b party) the dean called the cops asking that they dont provoke the people in any way, by standing outside of the gates, parking cop cars on the other side of the street, etc, which proves that even university authorities understand that it is both a problem of hooligans and cops with nothing better to do... Also the elec. universe party kept going and was actually a very nice night apart from the gas fumes, the whole thing is not a problem for keno diktio or other promoters, it is a problem of greece being a third world country in certain aspects like freedom of speech, choice of entertainment and human rights of "lowlife ravers"...
finally maybe u are a trancas that cares only about the music, i care about my community, my city and my country also, and i believe that what is really missing from this scene is people taking things more seriously rather than caring only on what they eat , drink and listen... that's what is our big diference with the hippy movement, we have no f*cking cause...
nikos s

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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 16:30
Also the "anarchist" promoters u mention were the first to run there and try to talk the kids into stoping this nonsense, one of the guys being injured by the cops throwing a gas bottle in his head...
griniaris
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 16:35
No f*cking cause? Who has a cause and who has no cause it has nothing to do with music that means it doesn't matter if you are trancas or hippies or rokas! What would like us to do? I don't see trance community as a politic team, it is up to each one of us to offer what we want and what we can in this country! You see dear, ppl who listen to trance actually work and have family and problems and what ever life brings and when it is Saturday night what I usually do in my common life is having some fun and see some friends and dance a little or else I will star shooting stuff in my "fleves"! I do not go to univ. to start doing "the" change to our society and start killing the anarchists! Thats police job and not mine, so I don't know about what cause you are talking about. And not all the ppl who has "cause" like you say starts fighting in the way you mean it! there are many way to offer to society and you are not the one to critisize it. Free parties yes and responsibility from the promoters side. We are not movement we are music lovers of trance.
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nikos s

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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 16:47
Because people think that way, forgetting about the theory behind all this we have commercialized the scene as much as it gets, make the parties accesible only to drug dealers or the economically privileged (who else can afford 30e every saturday) ... parties started by hippies offering free entertainment that actually had smthng to say , an alternative to club nights that are just money making businesses. Now parties are more expensive than the famous posh clubs like venue or privilege ... if people said to all these money hungry organisers a "fuck off i ain't giving u my money" and go to the free parties instead maybe something good would happen to the scene.. we are responsible for how things are... I never said u go and kill hooligans (AND NOT ANARCHISTS as u keep reffering to these guys as), making a difference is about understanding what u do in its deepest sense, what it means and what it results to... Anyway, anybody is entitled to an opinion, i think that underground culture is
a lot more than just the music...
tim@motion


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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 17:20
Dear Nikos s plenty of promoters including eternal motion in thessaloniki love what they do. We lost huge ammounts of money plenty of times But trust me, money isn't the only reason for us to keep going. Sometimes we feel very happy just to get even with the expences.
And we said plenty of times but i must say it once more i guess. We make parties with plenty of guests, foreign decorators, extremely expensive sound systems and with 2 STAGES. And yes we have 20 security guys there for plenty of reasons.
Why you have to be sick of a well organised proffesional team? (who ever this team is). I mean what's wrong about it? There are plenty of ppl who realy love to attend (and they do attend) such big events (when their pocket is ok).And believe me, 30 euros for such productions is the minimum we can charge. Expensiveness is all around you. You get out of your house and you automaticaly need more than 30 euro to have a minimum entartainment. Why do you have to think that party organisations are out of this wave of general expensiveness?

This saturday there is a big event in Athens. If people start feeling sick about the entrance fee, or the security, or or or...how do you expect from the organisers to keep on trying and keep on going? These ppl are taking a big risk launching a party at a very difficult moment for Athens. And honestly i think that they don't do it for money (or just for money).

On the other hand ppl have the chance to attend free parties in thessaloniki or Athens.

Plenty of options is a realy nice thing to have...don't you agree?

PS
We make parties every month not every weekend
. Plenty of time to save a euro per day to be able to attend           don't fuck with me
nikos s

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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 17:39
Tim, i dont know who u are and what your parties are like, ive been to some events in thessaloniki (my work makes it hard for me to travel north just for a night) i'm not sure if it was one of yours.. Actualy i was refering to the situation in athens that i know about.. Organisers for the past decade have been fighting for the crowds, making a mockery of the underground psychedelic spirit, stealing us our money and offering crap music, the same acts again and again (max-riktam-etcetcetc were like residents playing 2-3 times a year in athens so that the organisers would get bulk discounts...)
Having aggresive security people throw people out or give u a headache for smoking a spliff.. To answer to you i also mention we did a free party last year (not trance) we had 2 international acts, 15 kw electrovoice system with a lot of extra equipment like mixing desks, projectors, amps, guitars, synths, etc, one international vj, and 9 greek live acts.. the whole project cost 6500 euro.. entrance was free and with 2e beer we covered all expenses...
I dont have to tell u about trancemedia and reload and what that did in the scene, bringing punk-hooligan-low life in the parties (of course good people went there also- they were just kids)..
I agree with u that is good to have a choice, but it is mainly the money hungry promoters and the blind people who help them maintain the situation that are responsible for all this...
I'm not judging you or anybody else at a personal level, perhaps your parties are not like that, but if a party has to cost 30 euro to happen, maybe u guys should think of ways to cut your expenses down or do smthng else...
tim@motion


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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 17:58
Things are a bit different here nikos s. We made many mistakes as promoters ourselfs, with agressive security etc. But we always try to improve ourselves throughout experience. About joints...well we can not allow joints either for obvious reasons in a club (that's where the good part for a party at the universities comes ) About artist variety there is plenty of (although ppl still massively appear only with some specific names)

You are so right that we should try to reduce expenses...pfffff. But we have to convince all of our associates to do so.

Anyways. You are right in many points. But i have to agree with griniaris regarding the "movement" of trance. I think that Greece is not friendly to movements and cultures such as goa or hippy ones. I guess that compromise a bit ....or better adjust, this culture to the Greek standarts, will do the trick.
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acidonacid
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 18:48
Both of the sides has right here I think.
The true is somewhere in the midle.
We need the free partys and the profesional teams also.
Everyone make an event for us and we (the crowd) attent to both of them.

I say it again.
the true is somewhere in the midle
          
Open your mind...
Gopendragon
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 21:07
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On 2005-11-03 18:48, acidonacid wrote:
Both of the sides has right here I think.
The true is somewhere in the midle.
We need the free partys and the profesional teams also.
Everyone make an event for us and we (the crowd) attent to both of them.

I say it again.
the true is somewhere in the midle



hehe very well agreed buddy
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xrust
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 22:46
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On 2005-11-03 15:54, griniaris wrote:
You are a little bit confused nikos s. pfffffffff
I like free parties, I go to free parties, I don't pay 30 euros either but what I said is that I don't beleive in plur and shit like that cause everything has a purpose! Got it?

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On 2005-11-03 15:54, griniaris wrote:
I pay 30 euros at ....

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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 22:48
call me romantic call me grafiko call me anything u want but personally I throw parties in order to experience the same feeling with the promoter in that movie "go".
remember "man,it was a great party.thanks"
sometimes nice things happening to parties.ppl falling in love,ppl getting close,ppl have a beautiful psychedelic experience and I wanna b an active member in their trip.
so respect to that beautiful brownlady who told me that I made her day respect to the crazy guy who told me that after my set he found what he was searching inside him respect to the warriors who sang kalomoira's "telia" after the last party of ours respect to nestoras who bought me a cup of coffe at zografou's everest respect respect respect
oh and for hearing tracks like fungus-trancefields or xenomorph-tree of death loud without any club-owner yelling at my ear"get down NOW"
love peace and respect to everyone out there who knows how to appreciate every moment in life and good wines to the others.

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orange
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 23:10
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On 2005-11-03 22:48, FaithNoMore wrote:
call me romantic call me grafiko call me anything u want but personally I throw parties in order to experience the same feeling with the promoter in that movie "go".
remember "man,it was a great party.thanks"
sometimes nice things happening to parties.ppl falling in love,ppl getting close,ppl have a beautiful psychedelic experience and I wanna b an active member in their trip.
so respect to that beautiful brownlady who told me that I made her day respect to the crazy guy who told me that after my set he found what he was searching inside him respect to the warriors who sang kalomoira's "telia" after the last party of ours respect to nestoras who bought me a cup of coffe at zografou's everest respect respect respect
oh and for hearing tracks like fungus-trancefields or xenomorph-tree of death loud without any club-owner yelling at my ear"get down NOW"
love peace and respect to everyone out there who knows how to appreciate every moment in life and good wines to the others.





ill second that!!!

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DETOX
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 00:26
Though i try really hard lately to be a watcher in this forum and not participate in conversations ready to explode like this one i cant help my self from answering to some things even though i know that many nicknames will suddenly appear against me.

A)Griniaris you mentioned the last free party in the University of Athens with Electric Universe organised by Keno Diktio with the support of Natural High (also known as 'anarchy guys' as you mention them though i doubt you have a clue about what anarchy really is since its a political term and not what you have in your mind) and that the organisers brought the police with them.Since i was there and also helped at this party i got to inform you that the police wasnt there for the party but because of the fights that took place all day long in Athens due to the Nazi gathering in the center of the city.When these fights also moved to the area near the university and some people (that had absolutely nothing to do with the party) attacked the police station near the university police started throwing tear gas towards them with the smoke eventually reaching the university area.The police didnt throw tear gas to the party but at the place where fights were taking place thus the smoke due to the high wind at that night reached the party area in the university.I guess you own an apology to Keno Diktio and Natural High for accusing them that they brought the police with them by organising this party since it was not their fault that fights took place all day long in Athens that day and for sure it was not their fault that it was very windy that night.

B)You mentioned a party in Athens organised by Natural High somewhere last winter where i also was there.You truely mentioned that some guys tried to attack you,what you forgot ofcourse to mention is that these guys tried to attack you because in the middle of the party you started screaming 'Gamo tin Athina sas' something that i also heard and i couldnt believe my ears at the time,not a very polite action by you dont you think?Also you owe a big thank you to Iraklis Mindphaser (yes the one you call an 'anarchy' guy) for coming there to save you from these guys that wanted to hit you for the reason mentioned before.

C)Last but not least you mentioned your bad experience just some days ago at a university party in Thesaloniki where some guys came and ruinned the party and stole the equipment.Yes these guys actions were wrong BUT as wrong as was the promoters action on putting an 8 euros entrance fee in a University for a trance party which if i am not mistaken is also illegal since taking commercial advantage of a public place with no permission (and especially an asylum like the university is) is against the laws of our country.So yes the guys that came and ruined the party were wrong but maybe they had a good reason to come and do what they did by seeing some people exploiting the university?

Thats all i had to say and mostly i answered to this topic since i couldnt stand the fact that false things were stated here concerning the Electric Universe party and the Natural High event last winter.

Every coin has two sides and most of the time the back side is more interesting than the front one.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
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