killik
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Posted : Jan 21, 2015 14:34
Sure, i can give u some guidelines.
im planning on making in depth tutorial on youtube but first i wanna finish my first album. so dont expect it in the next 1-2weeks.
Kick:
on the kick theres not really any magic to it. as i said u can get away with using no plugins at all.
choose a length of about 200ms. a pitchsweep from around 6k down to the bass root note. adjust it to taste.
the importance is to set the amp envelop right.
if u look at the waveform of such a kick u can see it looks like a fish. the tail is the highend, the body of the fish the lowend.
the narrow part is the low-mid area (around 150-500hz) which is really quiet.
Bass:
also not much to do here. you set up a simple basspatch, single sawtooth, 24db lowpass filter
for the clickyness i like to use 2 filter envelopes.
one standard one u would use anyway and a second with a really really small amount of decay giving u just a short transient snap instead of a sweep.
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Posted : Jan 22, 2015 06:04
Thank you. Sounds good the plan to make a tutorial. I appreciate your words bro.
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Posted : May 24, 2015 17:30
Apologies for bringing this thread back to the top. but rather than start a new thread..
Question about the bass replication that was made...
You say you used 2 filter envelopes for the clickiness - The only VST I've got that will do that sort if thing is Trilogy bass vst.
I see you can set 2 filters in parallel or series.
Can you explain the settings, as the second filter seems to just dominate the effect.
I understand the principle behind it, I just don't get how it's achieved?
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Posted : May 24, 2015 18:00
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On 2015-05-24 17:30, Tomos wrote:
Apologies for bringing this thread back to the top. but rather than start a new thread..
Question about the bass replication that was made...
You say you used 2 filter envelopes for the clickiness - The only VST I've got that will do that sort if thing is Trilogy bass vst.
I see you can set 2 filters in parallel or series.
Can you explain the settings, as the second filter seems to just dominate the effect.
I understand the principle behind it, I just don't get how it's achieved?
if I got this right, I believe he means two envelopes for the same filter and not two filters in series. instead of having just the (usually hard-wired) filter envelope, make another envelope control the filter cut off simultaneously, just with much smaller amount of modulation and that's about it.
hope it helps...
200ms seems like a lot to me, unless we're talking something like 75 bpm, in which case a 1/16th space would be 200ms - even when considering side chain and all the engineer tricks known to man (and beyond).
Just for reference: at 130 bpm, a 16th note lasts for 115ms. Double that and it's fine for the off beat bass lines, but certainly too long for the 3 note roll thing.
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Posted : May 25, 2015 05:04
just below 200bpm is perfectly fine for offbass, a galloping bassline or a standard rolling bassline when you hp the first bass note. even up to 150bpm.
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Posted : May 27, 2015 01:49
nah, frisbee is right, 115ms is 1/16th not 1/4
nonetheless i dont see any problem using a 200ms kick with a rolling 16th bassline. if u look at any bassline like outsiderz, e-clip, or in this case flegmas bass they all are overlapping the first 1/16th bassnote almost completely. which doesnt mean that u dont need to put a note there. just dont sidechain it completely out and it will roll without making any trouble.
in case of doubt use an analyzer to see if it clashes.
for example this can happen if u lowcut ur bass at 20hz. it will change the phase, clash with the kicks tail and drive the volume unnecessarily high creating a shitty sounding peak.
just created something with a 233ms kick and i think its rolling. not to the max but u can call it rolling i guess.
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Posted : May 27, 2015 14:46
pretty basic stuff...
assumed here: at 130 bpm; 1/16 th is 115 ms,
one full measure (time between kicks) is then 16 times that 16 x 115 ms = 1,84 seconds
fyi: 120 bpm has 0,5 seconds between kicks
not that relevant as just a conversation topic
but.. now wondering what you mean if you say i use a 223 ms kick. thats in the used bpm something like a half-note length. which is for 3 note basslines extremely long. you completely overlap the 1st bassnote with the kick.
if really 223 ms, i guess then that the tail of the used kick is doing (almost) nothing.
the posted sample is sounding really good, but a 2 note bassline. i think by rolling basslines we mean 3 bassnotes.
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killik
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Posted : May 27, 2015 15:11
well yeah it depends how one defines rolling.
my posted example would sound different if i didnt use the first of the three 1/16th notes. its not a gallopp but neither is it rolling like some ajja sound or whatever. its simply in between.
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Posted : May 27, 2015 15:42
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for example this can happen if u lowcut ur bass at 20hz. it will change the phase, clash with the kicks tail and drive the volume unnecessarily high creating a shitty sounding peak.
How do you cope with this ? Personally i change phase or use all pass filter.
killik
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Posted : May 27, 2015 19:34
i dont highpass at all to be honest.
dunno if it will cause problems on a huge rig. havent tested that yet.
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Posted : May 27, 2015 22:18
Sorry to hijack this thread, but guys you need to try this EQ on mixed phase mode, it's "the thing" for basslines especially, insane how good it sounds, do yourself a favor and highpass a bass with it and than try something else, anything else, both linear and minimum, from any vendor, right
Here's from 1:45, that's the thing, seriously try on regular psy bass, it's even more obvious, best thing eveeer
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Posted : May 28, 2015 01:31
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On 2015-05-27 14:46, vipal wrote:
pretty basic stuff...
assumed here: at 130 bpm; 1/16 th is 115 ms,
one full measure (time between kicks) is then 16 times that 16 x 115 ms = 1,84 seconds
fyi: 120 bpm has 0,5 seconds between kicks
not that relevant as just a conversation topic
but.. now wondering what you mean if you say i use a 223 ms kick. thats in the used bpm something like a half-note length. which is for 3 note basslines extremely long. you completely overlap the 1st bassnote with the kick.
if really 223 ms, i guess then that the tail of the used kick is doing (almost) nothing.
the posted sample is sounding really good, but a 2 note bassline. i think by rolling basslines we mean 3 bassnotes.
60 (number of seconds in a minute)
130 bpm (beats per minute)
so we're dividing the minute with the number of beats;
and we get this number: 0,462
now divide that (a beat in seconds) by four and you get:
So you should check your facts or math before showing an attitude, which btw is sort of uncalled for and weird?!
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Posted : May 28, 2015 01:42
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On 2015-05-27 01:49, killik wrote:
nah, frisbee is right, 115ms is 1/16th not 1/4
nonetheless i dont see any problem using a 200ms kick with a rolling 16th bassline. if u look at any bassline like outsiderz, e-clip, or in this case flegmas bass they all are overlapping the first 1/16th bassnote almost completely. which doesnt mean that u dont need to put a note there. just dont sidechain it completely out and it will roll without making any trouble.
in case of doubt use an analyzer to see if it clashes.
for example this can happen if u lowcut ur bass at 20hz. it will change the phase, clash with the kicks tail and drive the volume unnecessarily high creating a shitty sounding peak.
just created something with a 233ms kick and i think its rolling. not to the max but u can call it rolling i guess.
