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Faster or Slower

Watter
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 18:44
I have been reading some wierd things latly, like the last "Trance is dead...." topic wich claims that psytrance will become psygabber and will be played around 180-220bpm.....
Sorry m8s but Ive even seen some artis claiming that their released stuff would be better 5 bpm slower.... so what is the route we are taking.... will the future hold faster yet less hypnotic music or will we go back to more interesting less pounding more hypnotic music...
share your thoughts..
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Basilisk
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 18:54
Anything under 200bpm is fine in my books, it's all in how its used and what its for. Solid dancefloor grooving has a sweetspot between 130 and 145 I'd say. I don't believe in the notion of an optimal BPM.
Anak
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 19:01
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On 2005-02-15 18:54, basilisk wrote:
I don't believe in the notion of an optimal BPM.




me neither. it just has to fit. but my heart belongs to the -120 area. there will be no more trends tho, i hope, altho i'd really love to see thousands of people tripping to 96 bpm at night at the mainfloor at a huge festival.
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buzzee
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 19:16
I personally like the one between 120 & 140....
Watter
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 19:20
@basilisk: I agree that there is no optimal BPM, but I can not see one going into Trance on a 180-200bpm track..... ok ok, it ill admit it I do like the faster tracks but only to dance my head of and only for small periods of time.... faster tracks imho do not have the efect on ppl that thouse well produced 130-138bpm have..... well i guess I am just nostagic thats all.....
@Anak: Slower Darker tunes at night... a brilhant ideia...... and imo a slower track can be much darker than the faster ones...           "open your mind....you might just see that there isn't anything to be seen"
sherlockalien
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 19:37
indeed I dont think there is an optimal bpm in strict terms...

but there is an average that seems to work best, with exceptions of course. Personal choice, I like things under 140bpm...
full on or fast stuff doesnt work for me at all

130 for the dancefloor, and 110 or under for the chill is a safe bet for me
s0ft
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 21:52
an "optimal"bpm is subjective and is based on factors that change from party to party... or from person to person.
Balde


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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 00:27
In my opinion, both can work good.

just like sex: sometimes you like fast, sometimes you like slow, hehe.

hail diversity!


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traveller
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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 00:49
personally I don't give a crap about bpm. Hmm variable is the best           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 01:01
There is no discussion really about that the BMP need to vary a bit I would think.

But I know what you mean about wanting to have the tracks some 5 bpm slower than what get released or appreciated at a party.
Slower music can build up an amazing energy and is IMO needed if you really want people to be able to dance properly for a full party.
You cannot really get time to stretch you moves when it goes above 140 I find (except for some rythmical patterns where 160 can be fine, but thats a rare occurance), so the freakiest and best dancing I experienced and seen is on a bit slower music.

But unfortunally it's very hard to play 130 bpm tracks at a party. I try to play as slow as I can get away with, but most of the time you will get too many people pissed off if you play below 140.
So, although I'm very uncommercial about my music, I find that I many times make the tracks about 5 bpm faster than I would prefer personally, because otherwise you have an angry mob creating bad vibes all around if you play it in original pitch.

I mostly been playing in Goa though, and there it is a extremly tough audience, but I think many places is the same.
I guess the one's that like fast music is better on shouting and creating bad vibes as well
The ones that would like it slower grunt a bit and go home instead.

So even if I don't belive in only trying to please the crowd too much and try to do your thing as a DJ instead, playing 130 BPM is a no no, at least in the night on most parties.
I'd be very glad if I encountered a crowd that seemed up for slower stuff though.
Maybe a crowd that does less E and Coke I guess, because that has a lot to do with it from my experience.

When playing a full night it can be easier to get away with though.
Fast music drains the energy quicker, and if the DJ's play a 3 hr set each it easily becomes a pitch competition because they don't seem to care if they exhaust the crowd for the DJ coming after them.

I agree with Balde, it is like sex very much.
To make slow sex well you need to take your time to build the vibes and energies up.
If you want to keep going all night you better stay away from the frenetic 148 bpm stuff, but you will reach a higher climax eventually if you have the patience.
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buzzee
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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 02:30
Spindrift : Very well said...
Balde


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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 02:50
Spindrift,

you shared some good thoughts.
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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 04:15
Yeah, spindrift. Nicely said. As for the relaxed dancin' - I found it out myself. A lotta festivals have a good alternative stage where DJ's dare a lotta more, mixing styles from electronica to slower more atmospheric psy, sometimes breakbeats or progressive. Making the people shake the hips and booty, doin sexy moves...
Ahh thinking of girls shakin that stuff right now
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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 08:54
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On 2005-02-16 00:49, traveller wrote:
personally I don't give a crap about bpm. Hmm variable is the best





I wish we cud have some more albums like Eat Static or the V.A. Secret of the 13..

Diversity. Downtempo and fullish, so on..

Makes for such good car music. All members who drive a lot will probably agree.
The whole wycked-with-my-bpm thingy just gets a little monotonous if u travel distances.
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Aldus B
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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 09:38
Actually, bpm is very important. The whole idea of trance is that the bpm lay somewhere in between 135-148 or so beats per minute. Even ancient cultures knew that a beat within that range would put people into a trance, that's why native american and african rhythms often lie within that range, and that's why psy trance, for the most part has always lied within that range, because it is a spirtual, mind expanding experience that can only be trigerred in that range. When you start getting up into 180, 190, 200 bpm you are no longer putting people in a trance, you are putting them in a frenzy.
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