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Fans bitching about artist going comercial?
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Dopamin
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Posted : Jul 24, 2006 03:44
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The topic might sound a bit harsh, but it is what ppl has been complaining about for a while here.
So my Q. is:
If an artist chooses to try a new approach to his/her music. Isnt it their right to do so with out ppl/fans calling them sell outs or greedy bastard(might not have been written here, but it has been said with other words)?
The artist might have gotten bored with the music or feels that they are stomping at the same spot without beeing able to evolve their sound to something new and challenging?
Isnt the artist taking a big chance by stepping out of their money making formula to try something new?
So what do you think?
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Nathan
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Posted : Jul 24, 2006 07:11
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This subject was talked to death. So I'm not gonna add anything but this: there is one commercial Trance Artist that found the formula of how to make good commercial music and that is Juno Reactor. All the rest are money Makers... they use the music as a tool.
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Jeto
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Posted : Jul 24, 2006 07:32
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I think an artist should be free to express and do any sort of music. For example Juno Reactor did some music for films. I think thats great that he had this opportunity. This I am sure would be quite new and challengeing. I wouldnt call him a sell-out Or for that matter any other artist doing that.
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spinout
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Posted : Jul 24, 2006 08:55
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no problemo with comercial......we just want great music!! |
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Aluxe
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Posted : Jul 24, 2006 09:01
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I agree, as long as the music is good, I don't think I care if you sell a zillion copies.
But if you are going to sell the soul of the music in order to be comercial, then fuck that. Souless music sucks. Music comes from our feelings, its a sincere expression of our hearts and the voice of our soul. You can not sell these feelings for pretend to be feelings just because these appeal to more people. Then the music is fake.
You can express any feeling with music, be it anger, love, pain, joy, contemplation, adventure, desire, whatever truly moves you. But it has to be real, a true expression and not a fake substitute devoid of soul and empty like a kiss without love.
So why sell out? There are more than plenty of examples in all music genres of artists making good music which also made lots of money. Perhaps these artists are for real, and they never sold out their music to money, perhaps the money followed them, not the otherway around.
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Jul 24, 2006 09:22
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Music is subjective. Cheesy tunes appeal to a lot of people and albums are sold. Other styles like agressive psy trance or dark or whatever have it's space for listeners and they sell as well. So it all boils down to the listeners which have a right to comment but not criticise. And if you do criticise, I'm sure there are better words than 'commercial' to be used. I think we're all stuck to that word just an any other 'killer' out there. I think since music has everything to do with expression, we should all be some what amazed at what we get to hear and apperciate the diversity.
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Nathan
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Posted : Jul 24, 2006 13:43
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On 2006-07-24 09:22, Bloodclot wrote:
So it all boils down to the listeners which have a right to comment but not criticise.
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Imho you are wrong. Critic is a well know profession, isn't it? Artist often don’t like them but they are exist. Infect I even gonna learn in the college how to do it in a professional way during my communication studies.
Haven't you heard about constrictive criticism?. Album of an artist isn't a one way road. There is the one who create and there is the one who listen, and Artist sometimes would like to know what the listeners think.
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simon_marklar
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Posted : Jul 24, 2006 14:10
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yeah but his point is: if an artist changes thier sound, why do people instantly assume the artist is selling out?
i think people assume the artist sells out when the style of music the artist now makes is not what the fan likes. say, x-dream and thier evolvement towards electro (or whatever the genre is called, its still psytrance to me  ).. people say thier selling out, but really, they've been doing this for years and they are simply growing as artists... regardless of wether you like it or not. if not, dont complain, just dont buy thier records more for us people who do like it!
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Forest dreams
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Posted : Jul 24, 2006 20:18
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I want to have sex with Jenifer lopez.
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jul 24, 2006 21:57
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On 2006-07-24 20:18, Forest dreams wrote:
I want to have sex with Jenifer lopez.
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Fuck yeah, I'd do her. But Beyonce might be cool as well. Hell, why not both?? 
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jul 24, 2006 22:09
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Underground credibility is maintained through artistic integrity. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand how Juno Reactor and Infected Mushroom have taken extremely different approaches to entering the mainstream, and why fans would denegrate one while praising the other.
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Pt.
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Posted : Jul 24, 2006 22:18
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No one ever threw shit at Eat Static and their multiple side projects (please see "Flexitones" for example). It's not what you do, it's how you do it. And some producers ARE artists, while others are just.. Well, trackers. I think Basilisk example of IM and Juno (God is God, and God can do what ever "it" wants to do, we have faith) is what your looking for. Even thou I might agree on Erez BEING a "true" artist. But still, it's the way it's being done. I had a small talk with the guys of Chrystal Method. And I truly believe (and hope) that a co-up between Chrystal and IM could be VERY interesting and good.
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piXan
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Posted : Jul 25, 2006 07:10
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yes the tittle is harsh, specially as it is opened by an "artist" . people have the right to like some music and dislike other as much as the musicians have to do whatever they want with their art. i belive this is a big generalization. personally i expect musicans i like to evolve in their music, not staying the same, finding new formulas, experiment. it has been said here that changing styles is equal to be commercial. i think that most of the times the most commercial acts are the one that dont change or evolve at all, stick to the formulas that work. the most common phenomen i see when people complain about selling out is when the artist start producing with more quality and that tends to make the sounds less harsh (which is what might apppeal some of the people). one good example i find is Menog, which first album was great, darker, with very good ideas musically, but far from clear production. as more releases came , better production and the music started sounding different , more "clean" and more structured, this is what i think people might consider as commercial, not to my opinion.
i think that people who think thats going "commercial" just start listening to other acts, simple as that!
But i think that there are musicians who think about how their music is gonna be accepted or disliked by a certain crowd at the very moment of composing and producing. there are other who dont give a f... about that. and they just express their feelings as theey are. to me thats true art and music, my respects to the people who do that!!!
i hope i made some sense!
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Jul 25, 2006 07:51
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On 2006-07-24 13:43, Nathan wrote:
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On 2006-07-24 09:22, Bloodclot wrote:
So it all boils down to the listeners which have a right to comment but not criticise.
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Imho you are wrong. Critic is a well know profession, isn't it? Artist often don’t like them but they are exist. Infect I even gonna learn in the college how to do it in a professional way during my communication studies.
Haven't you heard about constrictive criticism?. Album of an artist isn't a one way road. There is the one who create and there is the one who listen, and Artist sometimes would like to know what the listeners think.
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Good point, which is why I used the word comment instead of criticise. My point being that comments I'm sure is always welcome but to criticise a whole track itself or style is quite uncalled for. You can't define a style really. If you defined styles, where's the room for growth and creativity? I'm still trying to make a point here which I can't really pen down at the moment. Oh well.
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exotic
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Posted : Jul 25, 2006 08:47
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i want infected mushroom back
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