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Candy
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Posted : May 20, 2004 19:36
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If your notion of an unusual / thrilling set is according to the number of unreleased tracks the dj puts, then we have a totally different notion of what a thrilling set should sound like.
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Oren Coma
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Posted : May 20, 2004 21:08
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maybe you didn't get me right.
ofcourse what counts is not only how fresh the track is, actually i myself like to play all kind of tracks and somtimes even tracks from 7-8 years ago.
but, when it gets to full-on sets, i believe it is also important to play new stuff, since the tracks are being played so much in parties and they have basic melody that you remember easily, and the main thing like we already agreed before is to thrill the crowed and let him hear somthing new, and not the same tracks 1000 times.
this is why i am in favour of fresh full on that you are not already tired of.
for example when protoculture/talamasca/sub 6/psysex/ astrix/alien project/infected/ space cat release a track , the track is a hit and being played a lot, after a while it will be wiser to play their new track instead of playing the one people just heard a milion time before (they always have somthing new)
never the less there are tracks that can be played even if they have been played many times before.
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Posted : May 21, 2004 12:00
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we got there around 23:00 and the chill out was still runing. the atmosphere was very good. the night was very dark ( i mean the music) all the djs played strong night stuff. zirkin played a bit too strong somtimes.
Logic Bomb was my favourite set (he started around 04:00).
than 06:00 the party really started kicking, it was funny cause suddenly a lot pf people came out of their tents, the dancefloor got filled and everybody started smiling and jumping , it was really nice.
good crowed of 600 party people with good vibes.
the last set around 10 in the morning was by oren coma, and everybody got back to the dancefloor and it was great.
lot of respect to the last set, you sent us home very happy, and the "one last track" everybody wanted so much and at the end was played after everybody were crying to the owner of the place, it was good, very high energy to close a party.
won't forget this for a long time.
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Posted : May 23, 2004 07:41
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But what's the point of playing unreleased tracks if they all sounds the same - ressembling to other already released tracks, without much originality.
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Oren Coma
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Posted : May 23, 2004 12:27
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On 2004-05-23 07:41, RaverGirl wrote:
But what's the point of playing unreleased tracks if they all sounds the same - ressembling to other already released tracks, without much originality.
well girl, I remember a discusion with an old friend that doesn't like trance, he likes only rock, and always tell me that all the trance music sounds all the same. no matter if i let him listen to Talamasca or S-Range.
he just doesn't connect to this music.
i think this friend can continue his life without listening to trance music, and i think you could easily continue yours without full-on.
for me at least there is a great change between full-on tracks, and ofcourse i don't like the shity full-on that sounds the same, i search for the one that will thrill me and will sound different. this is why i enjoy so much the new style of Infected and the last year style of Skazi. thses are just examples for new directions inside the full-on janner. both of the artist i just mentioned are making full-on which is very uniqe and sound different from things they or others have made before (great elements of singing by the way).
I have a theory: one will enjoy a set by a dj he respects more than by an unfamiliar dj even if they play the same set.
again i am sure you won't be the one, cause in your case you just wouldn't like both of them if they play full-on, but I am speaking in generally (even if both of them play dark psychedelick / prog /minimal).
I think it is an interesting question.
what say you ?
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Candy
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Posted : May 23, 2004 12:45
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Well unfortunately you are right - most ppl will "hear differently" a set that was performed by a known dj than by an unknown dj, eventhough they both are of the same quality. The know dj set will get more appreciation while the unknown dj set will be expected to give more of himself in order to prove he is good and has something to offer. And it's legitimate don't u think? I mean why should a dj gets recognition if his set is a average one?
This was my original point actually. I've heard excellent full on sets that swept me away (none by unknown djs though, although I don't think I would not recognize a talent if I heard it), but that dj that played at your party for example (Space Camel) didn't "do it to me".
But that's just me... Most ppl seem to have enjoyed it.
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Oren Coma
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Posted : May 23, 2004 14:08
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Actually i think it is reasnoble that a famous dj will get credit from the crowed before he even started his set. first of all he earned it by the time he is performing, and second he gives the crowed somthing which is not less imortant than the music he plays ... he gives the crowed confident , people can trust him to bring their minds somewhere closer to the sky. and ofcourse when you can trust sombody you are more relax and you can enjoy more...
although i think it is good to keep an open mind, cause that's part of what trance is all about.
this is why i try to give a stage also to unknown djs through the years (Bonen/Rider/Assymetric/Golum/Cocamid....)
but also to maintain a stage for the more known performers (Logic Bomb/ x-dream /Shanti/Wizzy Noize....)
I have to admit that i really enjoy our pedagogic discussion.
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Posted : May 23, 2004 18:57
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On 2004-05-23 14:08, Oren Coma wrote:
Actually i think it is reasnoble that a famous dj will get credit from the crowed before he even started his set. first of all he earned it by the time he is performing, and second he gives the crowed somthing which is not less imortant than the music he plays ... he gives the crowed confident , people can trust him to bring their minds somewhere closer to the sky. and ofcourse when you can trust sombody you are more relax and you can enjoy more...
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True, but what happens when a famous dj/artist that has many years of experience gives a really bad set. Let's take for example Max from Etnica at the Doof festival who gave a set that most people complained about. In this case it's even worst that an unknown dj giving a bad set, cause here yuo had high expectations, and like you said ppl trusted this famous dj to lift them up in the sky. But it didn't happen, on the contrary. Remember what bad reviews Max got for that? I don't think an unknown dj would have suffered of so much critics as Max did if he gave a bad set.
So it goes both ways actually - you trust more from a known one, but also gets terribly disappointed when the set is bad.
So what I'm saying is that indeed you should give a chance to new artists, but for these artists to proove they are worthy of other future gigs, they need to be special, and not common - which wasn't the case with that specific dj at your party - again in my opinion only.
Interesting discussion indeed 
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Oren Coma
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Posted : May 23, 2004 22:51
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On 2004-05-23 18:57, RaverGirl wrote:
Let's take for example Max from Etnica at the Doof festival who gave a set that most people complained about. In this case it's even worst that an unknown dj giving a bad set, cause here yuo had high expectations, and like you said ppl trusted this famous dj to lift them up in the sky. But it didn't happen, on the contrary.
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You are certainly right about high expectations from famous dj's/artist.
but i don't agree to the example you gave, Max (Etnica) is not the best dj's in the world on the technicaly side, maybe his mixing skills are not as 22 years old dj that was born into the world of CDJ, but he has got the experience of an artist which is more than a decade on the dj stand, and he knows how to read the dancefloor right. his sets are different from party to party, although he plays a lot.
to my opinion he had the best set in the DOOF party, he succeeded making me and my gang really JUMP on the dancefloor and blow our minds.
and again we have different opinions on the same set... nice ! at least we agree on one thing: Shahar Zirkin gave an excellent set in the night time of our party. I was greatfull, although there were people who complained it was too dark/strong.
what to do, you can't make 100% of the people satisfy 100% of the time...
but i am still trying too... maybe someday, that's giving me a reason to keep on trying.
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Posted : May 24, 2004 06:31
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Oh yeah... Shahar is a king (again I know I'm not objective here). He gives very dark deep sets, so either u adore it or u hate it - but you're certainly not indifferent to it.
Well, our night music taste is similar, too bad our morning music taste isn't. Or maybe it's good. If we all had the same taste it would be a boring world wouldn't it?
And no, you can't satisfy them all, and you'll always have people complaining (and sometimes I'm the one doing the complaining) but you know what they say - Majority isn't always right.
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Oren Coma
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Posted : May 25, 2004 04:07
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On 2004-05-24 06:31, RaverGirl wrote:
And no, you can't satisfy them all, and you'll always have people complaining (and sometimes I'm the one doing the complaining) but you know what they say - Majority isn't always right.
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Power to the people!
hear hear, can't agree with you more, you are a true beliver, we'll keep on searching for the ultimate line-up till we find it... or just try to bring comfort to diffrent people at different parties... 
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