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orgytime
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Posted : Apr 4, 2012 16:51
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you can make decent mixes with headphones only.
personally i dont like it for bass/kick synthesis, the rest is fine. think about if you really want to mix with headphones for more ours per day... in the end you stil have to check the sound on other systems.
my advice is yamaha hs80m and 500€ treatment 
cheers
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Upavas
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Posted : Apr 5, 2012 00:16
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On 2012-04-04 16:51, orgytime wrote:
you can make decent mixes with headphones only.
personally i dont like it for bass/kick synthesis, the rest is fine. think about if you really want to mix with headphones for more ours per day... in the end you stil have to check the sound on other systems.
my advice is yamaha hs80m and 500€ treatment
cheers
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@ Orgytime: You don't like it for kick and bass because Headphones suck for kick and bass, period! I second that you can make decent mixes from 16hz to 20khz with headphones, the only cans that would maybe somewhat work are Sennheiser 700HD, and those are very expensive and not 100 percent either.
My 2 cents :
Adams A7X speakers, don't waste your time with dynaudio, they are just not as good as the Adams, and make sure the Adams are 7X and not 7 , or 8X!
You won't need cans with these monitors. If there is any possibility you can upgrade, add a 12 inch subwoofer together with some room treatment later.
Then get a novation x station midi controller.
You will now have spent close to $ 2000, if you could not find any deals...
If there is any way you can stretch your budget a tad more, get Omnisphere. You won't be sorry! I love that synth and it's possibilities are crazy. Still digging deeper into it here...
Hope I could help.
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 5, 2012 18:16
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it all depend the room tbh.. you can buy 2000 dollars monitors but if the room sucks you won t exploit the monitors, i would say get at least audio technica ath m50 as headphone , these are cheap , and will give you kick bass like on bm6a or other praised monitors wihtout much trouble |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 6, 2012 00:43
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Every single time ive tried to do anything at all, ever, with headphones in the low end it has turned out sounding like complete ass.
Not saying im the perfect judge or anything, or that you cant get good results with headphones, but for many many people it is incredibly difficult.
I love my headphones for checking volume levels and panning but thats about it.
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Vermeee
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Posted : Apr 6, 2012 08:03
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i realy dont understand why someone would waste so much money in acoustic treatment without the monitors...
monitors will give u sound...acoustic treatment u ll give u .......... vision ?
not even considerin ... how the fuck will u treat ur room if u dont even have experienced it ...
only after u realy have HEARD ur room u can start to consider what kind of room treatment u are needing...
otherwise its going to be a lot of assumptions...
unless u are a very rich kid that has money to buy equipments every month and live in a place where tecnology s acessible ... like in countries from europe and usa...
put ur money in the monitors and u ll be very satisfied... AND u ll start to figure where the fuck in ur room u ll need absorbers... basstraps etc.. and if u are smart enough u can even build ur own basstraps and absorbers slowly...
put a normal hifi speaker and a decent monitor in an untreated room... which will give u more pleasure ? i dont need to answer
and i think most of us are doin music for the pleasure not for the tecnical obligations...
and dont fuckin buy a cheap monitors only so u can invest a little in acoustic treatmenet.. buy the decent monitor first... specialy for people who are outside USA and EUROPE that tecnology s more expensive...
there s a line after u cross that all monitors will be good...
dynaudio, focal, adam, genelec etc.. it in the end will be a matter of taste ...and u ll have a blast of sound in ur studio... and the better... the monitors will only get better and better with time while u invest in the acoustic treatment... ( just becareful to not blow them out with loud volumes lol )... but if u buy the so cheap monitor first.. u ll be stuck with it for years till u have money to be able to change the monitors again..
ow and talkin bout prices..only buy equipments in europe and usa... coz out of those places sadly we are treated as colony slaves... and the govern will fuckin rip u apart with taxes...
so go make a trip to europe to buy the equipments or ask someone to bring them to you...
with 2500 dollars... i was able to buy a pair of adam a7x... a nord rack 2 second hand a blofeld and a new sound card for my synths...im from brazil so i had to ask for friends to bring them..
the best prices are in ebay from america or in some online stores frmo europe.. so make a way to buy from those places...dont let the govern rip u apart with taxes..
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orgytime
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Posted : Apr 6, 2012 14:07
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 6, 2012 15:59
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On 2012-04-06 00:43, willsanquil wrote:
Every single time ive tried to do anything at all, ever, with headphones in the low end it has turned out sounding like complete ass.
Not saying im the perfect judge or anything, or that you cant get good results with headphones, but for many many people it is incredibly difficult.
I love my headphones for checking volume levels and panning but thats about it.
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try the ath man ! if you do basically the same as what you re doing usually on monitors you wont get surpise..or the only suprise you might get is that the low end sound better on the monitors than everytime you tyred to get it to sound good on them .. it need to get used to it a little maybe, or to work in tandem with the monitors..i check on my monitors and adjust when needed. measure you room look at the frequency response, then check/measure the response of a quality headphone..(ath is not flat but have a little hyped response that can be well suited for club music ,speically when used with monitors or something flat like the beyer dt 880 or more high end cans probably) |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 6, 2012 19:24
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On 2012-04-06 08:03, Vermeee wrote:
i realy dont understand why someone would waste so much money in acoustic treatment without the monitors...
monitors will give u sound...acoustic treatment u ll give u .......... vision ?
not even considerin ... how the fuck will u treat ur room if u dont even have experienced it ...
only after u realy have HEARD ur room u can start to consider what kind of room treatment u are needing...
otherwise its going to be a lot of assumptions...
unless u are a very rich kid that has money to buy equipments every month and live in a place where tecnology s acessible ... like in countries from europe and usa...
put ur money in the monitors and u ll be very satisfied... AND u ll start to figure where the fuck in ur room u ll need absorbers... basstraps etc.. and if u are smart enough u can even build ur own basstraps and absorbers slowly...
put a normal hifi speaker and a decent monitor in an untreated room... which will give u more pleasure ? i dont need to answer
and i think most of us are doin music for the pleasure not for the tecnical obligations...
and dont fuckin buy a cheap monitors only so u can invest a little in acoustic treatmenet.. buy the decent monitor first... specialy for people who are outside USA and EUROPE that tecnology s more expensive...
there s a line after u cross that all monitors will be good...
with 2500 dollars... i was able to buy a pair of adam a7x... a nord rack 2 second hand a blofeld and a new sound card for my synths...im from brazil so i had to ask for friends to bring them..
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IMO this advice is terrible. You don't need a engineering degree to figure out where to put acoustic treatment - and there are plenty of resources out there to help you figure it out.
Fuck, Auralex will even give you a free room analysis if you send them the specs.
Its not hard to put bass traps in the corners and some panels at the reflection points..and anyone who knows anything about sound will make acoustic treatment a priority regardless of the room's dimensions.
If a room is square, or rectangular, or anything, I can guarantee that it will be improved by throwing in some treatment even if you don't place it properly - the fact is that sound will get absorbed more than it would without it being treated.
Of course, no one is saying that you buy acoustic panels before monitors, that's just silly.
I spent more money on my acoustics than I did on my monitors, and it easily doubled the accuracy and clarity/etc that I was perceiving. I listen to my mixes and my low end from before I had treatment and its night and day.
and @ POM - I don't need to measure frequency responses and stuff to know the following:
1) When I tweak low end or try to mix on the headphones I have (AKG K240s) it sounds crap
2) When I tweak low end or try to mix on my monitors, it sounds less crap
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 7, 2012 12:22
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never heard akg have good low end suited for electronic music.
it s like saying i can t get a good low end on monitors i have cheap monitors...it s maybe taste maybe it dont work for everyone dunno but on the ath it s easy to get a good kick bass to me, the balance is great for this and the cans are fast .
headphone can be way flater than monitors/room and faster/precise in the low end cause in a room even treated the bass resonate longuer. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 7, 2012 20:21
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I have never heard anyone argue that headphones are easier to get k/b out of.
Not that you're wrong, I've just never heard that and it contradicts all the experience I've had personally.
Also, its not just these headphones - its all the headphones I tried. The pair I had before this were sennheisers and I loved those headphones to death but still....bad bass translation If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 8, 2012 12:43
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different experience,lot of producers use headphone to check and tweak their kick bass it s maybe the part of the spectrum where the room color the most the sound..
maybe you have - 20 db dip around second harmonics of your bassline and have no idea, stuff like that is frequent and it s hard to hear as we get so used to the sound of our studio.
a friend that i wont name his project is well know just to say he used to pa speakers and translation playing in parties since long time,the first advice he gave me is to use a good headphone for checking the low end and fine tune the kick bass..since then i have met many producers with great production who agreee with this..but it all depends the monitoring condition, maybe you re perfectly happy with the sound you get out of your monitors and how it translate on other speakers, if you re not , a good headphone is one of the best solution for the money imo.
on monitors it's easier to over eq the sound if the room is not great ,in the end you eq the peaks and dips of your room, less on headphone ,i often check on my headphone eq even if my room is decent and almost fully treated..when it s good on both it s sure to translate wihtout problem , but i trust as much my headphones than moniotrs now..these are great for tonal balance and keeping natural sound and for tweaking source sound ,synthesis |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 8, 2012 13:23
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i think having headphone and monitors is better than just one or the other btw.i use a lot my monitors and a headphone won t replace them but to have both and use both in tandem give better result for me. |
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Fuzulu
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Posted : Apr 8, 2012 22:41
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Small rooms have low frequency built up that is based on the dimensions of the space. Room modes. You can download free programs that allow you to enter the LWH of a space and it will spit out the axial, tangential, and oblique modes in the space. The lowest mode or frequency is the fundamental tone that will create a null down the center of the room. If you place your sub in the center of your front wall (assuming you have a symmetrical set up along you front wall) you will effectively eliminate that notch in the room. With 2 subs placed at the 1/4 and 3/4 point along the front wall you would reduce all low frequency room modes. You are basically placing subs in positive and negative energy zones and flattening low frequency response in the room. Treating the early reflections and in between and behind the speakers is still important but you can have good bass in a shitty room with a little work. Get an analyzer know you room before you revert to headphones.
Note if you have windows or doors along any of your room boundaries this will shift the position of the modes as the acoustic size of your room is larger than the dimensions. Low frequency sound waves interact with these boundaries and based on the rigidity of the wall or whatever it may be, the waves will either stay in the space or expand past a flimsy boundary effectively shifting the null from predictive locations.
So if your smart you can spend most of your cash on hardware.
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equalizer
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