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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Nov 14, 2005 01:38
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How does an artist create the album????
1) Do they invisage a certain time and work according to that.
2) Do they want to tell you/show you something? Coz thats the point right?
See, i am more partial to album's over Comp's, and the reason is that i can figure out where the artist is headin, what sort of journey they are imagining and if they can let me glimpse it.
So when an artist has for example 10 tracks on his album....
1) Is each track a lil story in itself?? Now, this would make it hard to create a 'Mother' story right? Sure you can, but i can count those artists on my hand.
2) If each track is made for an individual experience, where's the 'psychedelic' experience amounting too? Bits and Pieces???
plus.. if u know of artist albums that you feel are wholesome journeys per se please do recommend.
Here's mine..
Kemic-Al - Twisted Parameters.
Thanks.
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Nov 14, 2005 01:53
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lately I had a very nice mental trip with "deliver us from evil"
perhaps the most complete dark comp ever
Helicon Sounds Music
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 14, 2005 02:09
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I think album should contain certain idea, all tracks should somehow be with each other in harmony but not a copy-paste. I fail to see many albums that answer me request, moreover i find compilations and vinyls much more efficient as material and variation thou there are couple of albums i want to mention as masterpieces of album creation.
Midi Miliz - the Passages, if you follow the album well you will see that from first track, some part becomes a part of following one which create a sequence. It contains whole spectrum of subgenres and BPM speeds for any use and each track is unique by its own.
The Delta - Send in Send Back, almost same story here, just the sequence connection is not as clear as in the Passsages while rest of my proper album definitions are in. This album also contains intro and outro which are nice thing to see, whereas intro slowly steps further to the following tracks.
Son Kite - Perspectives of.., very well fitting together album with unique style and variations within the subsubgenre of progressive trance.
cheers
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Nov 14, 2005 02:20
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On 2005-11-14 02:09, Willy Wonka wrote:
I if you follow the album well you will see that from first track, some part becomes a part of following one which create a sequence. It contains whole spectrum of subgenres and BPM speeds for any use and each track is unique by its own.
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pretty much what i meant to say without the frills 
Also, thanks for the recommendations guys, and i agree on the Son Kite and Delta albums.
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Krell
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Posted : Nov 14, 2005 13:47
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I dont really listen to albums as journes anymore, nor do I do that with compilations.
I objectively target track always for use in DJ sets - When I want to listen to a journey, I listen to a DJ set.
However - I wouldnt mind more thought to be put into albums - The more creativity the better - Just dont mix the tracks or fuck them up so they cant be used in DJ sets and its cool with me
Jaļas new album is sort of a concept album - Perhaps also some of Star Sound Orchestras stuff.....
And of course Shpongle Many chillout releases basicly (storyline seems more important there).
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Nathan
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Posted : Nov 14, 2005 18:55
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Most off the albums are just bunch of track without any connection between. For sure it can be 100% good music, but with no concept. Infected's last 2 albums are like that. They like a compilation of one artist.
There are 2 kinds of concept albums: With a story and without .imho the best albums, are With a story :
JAIA - fiction
SHULMAN - Soundscapes and modern tales
SHPONGLE - Nothing lasts...but nothing is lost
1200 mics - the time machine.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 14, 2005 19:15
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Krell you right most of today's albums have no story due to lack of talent and creativity, although DJs not much far from that, only few chosen ones can create a real story in their sets.
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 01:37
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On 2005-11-14 13:47, Krell wrote:
The more creativity the better - Just dont mix the tracks or fuck them up so they cant be used in DJ sets and its cool with me
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Sometimes stuff like V.A Karmegeddon can be cool. I liked the fact that it was a sort of 'one track'. But it did have pauses so could be used in Dj sets.
Ok here's another question for you..
How do stories form?? Dj choice, artist choice or crowd choice. Is it easy (askin u coz u have experience, not coz i like u  ) to try and experiment like this?
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Krell
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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 05:26
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On 2005-11-14 13:47, Krell wrote:
The more creativity the better - Just dont mix the tracks or fuck them up so they cant be used in DJ sets and its cool with me
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Sometimes stuff like V.A Karmegeddon can be cool. I liked the fact that it was a sort of 'one track'. But it did have pauses so could be used in Dj sets.
Ok here's another question for you..
How do stories form?? Dj choice, artist choice or crowd choice. Is it easy (askin u coz u have experience, not coz i like u ) to try and experiment like this?
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Well - I dont usually use the term "story" when I think about DJ sets - I think of them more like being "a journey thru music" - Music has different moods and attitudes - Trance music induces trancestates, and will let you emerge yourself into whatever picture a track will paint in your mind using your imagination/fantasy.
So, when you engage the music at some point you might start to day dream - Associating different things with the changing moods of the music. Going deeper and reacting to the music on an instinctive & intuitive level.
Moving from track to track is like moving from place to place - Different scenes unfold... There is a logic to it, like, you might want something to start off slow and simple, and then become faster, more complex.. growing.. Or whatever... So, you follow those paths and you get a sense of change in mood, attitude and scenary which then in the end becomes a "journey".
You can choose to give a set meaning, this can be done by targeting special elements in tracks - Like, if you want something tribal you might go for indian drums, chanting, bongos and such in order to create that scene in peoples minds. - Meaning can easily be found in voice samples, but also in the background ambient of tracks you will find meaning sometimes.
I dont think you should aim 100% for one or the other - I like it all to be in a balance... but no matter what, the more creative a dj is, the more he/she will be able to mix together an interesting journey for the audience.
It is definately not easy - I mean, its all good that you can find tracks with easily identifiable themes in them to create meaning, storyline or a journey, but the music itself still has to be musicly worthwhile.
It takes a lot of time to create a really special set, and also, it takes a lot of insight into the mechanics of trancestates, flow, daydreaming, dancing etc - Which is also why you rarely experience DJ sets which make you go "WOW THAT WAS SIMPLY AMAZING" after the DJ finishes off with his/her last track.
It might be easy to get that experience in the beginning, but after a few years of listening to DJ sets, that feeling becomes quite rare I think, but not unobtainable.
Also, it is difficult to create a journey thru sound which is not so predictable - The more moods and scenes you want, the more of a challenge it is to get it all to blend together well - I think, its important not to go back and forth between the same scenes (going in circles), but to try and go new places all the time...
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 06:38
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Thanks Krell..
touching back upon Goa Gil's sets, what he impresses upon is to destroy the ego while in trance and than refill you with ecstatic visions of a better you (world?). Atleast thats what i feel. In fact he's mentioned this very thing. Thats why he starts out with something 'scary' and than in the morning he trys to make it 'joyful'. Explains why he likes to play for god knows how many hours.
But when u said, that certain tracks create 'scenes' and the connection you make from one to the next is critical, what exactly did u try to say? Because if its made to make *you* daydream, is that the objective, or the idea of 'showing' you the day dream?
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Krell
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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 17:25
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On 2005-11-15 06:38, *Karma Cola* wrote:
Thanks Krell..
touching back upon Goa Gil's sets, what he impresses upon is to destroy the ego while in trance and than refill you with ecstatic visions of a better you (world?). Atleast thats what i feel. In fact he's mentioned this very thing. Thats why he starts out with something 'scary' and than in the morning he trys to make it 'joyful'. Explains why he likes to play for god knows how many hours.
But when u said, that certain tracks create 'scenes' and the connection you make from one to the next is critical, what exactly did u try to say? Because if its made to make *you* daydream, is that the objective, or the idea of 'showing' you the day dream?
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Goa Gil mixes long sets because he likes to follow the movement of the sun as far as I know - For him, his sets are a ritual where he initiates people to become one with the cosmic spirit. All in all it sounds logical to me that a common trance experience will increase awareness among the people participating.
My own philosophy regarding DJing builds, among others, on goa gil“s visions regarding his DJ sets - But also a lot of other people + my own experiences have influenced my personal relationsship to it.
Ive only heard Goa Gil one time, a 6 hours set or so - It was the same dark psy thru out his set, moving into more wacko/extreme sounds towards the end (a psychedelic climax). For my taste, it was far too narrowminded music wise and badly mixed - Still, he had a good choice in music (just didnt switch moods & attitudes enough for my taste) - I find his philosophic aspects a lot more appealing than his actual DJing - and I think many DJs could learn a lot from him.
After all, if the music is about creating trance states, active meditation and things for the mind & soul you would expect people who also work a lot with these things outside of the music scene to be able to give some insight as to what will enhance what is basicly a spiritual experience.
Then again, if people just want to party and shake their collective asses, perhaps it does not have interest to them, still - it doesnt change that THEIR experience will benefit from the DJ knowing these things. Therefore its very relevant.
I dont think the "objective" of a set or the music is specificly to day dream - Its one of many pleasant side effects though (one of the effect Im mostly interested in) - The objective is to create a trance dance experience, in which you can experience different things and change your consciousness thru the music & the dance - Also, you can share this experience with others, all the while trippy thoughts might be rushing thru your mind or you may start to day dream by which a deep trance experience is created in some ways resembling lucid dreaming. (note, this has nothing to do with drugs - You can do it on drugs, but it works just as well sober - I say this because some people might think these experiences come from the drugs or whatever).
To achieve a deep trance, you will need to listen to the same sound or beat for 20 minuttes or more, you will have to focus, relax and let the music take hold of you. This is best achieved if there is a certain flow from track to track - If they are compatible with each other - Attitude, Mood, Trippiness etc. If they are not compatible, you will exit your trance because you will block out the music or you will loose your connection to the trance inducing elements in the music.
Moving from maximalistic, to minimalistic, to aggressive, to soft tracks from track to track all the time doesnt work well. So, you need to put tracks in sequence who share different elements which you use to bind the tracks together while still evolving the sound thru the set.
You might actually also sometimes want to pull people out of the trance to destablize their experience, for instance if you want to create some "Wow" experience once you reintroduce a hypnotic new bassline - In those regards, DJs will think like the artists creating the tracks, and this is where a DJ becomes and artist - not just an organic jukebox.
You can switch attitude & mood completely every once in a while, you just cant do it all the time... and also, when switching the mood, you have to be aware of the energy levels and the progression thru the set so that you will switch to a mood which is needed... Like cooking, you must know when to add salt & pepper, and when not to do it... its a matter of taste and understanding how to achieve a certain sensation.
The result for most DJs varies from set to set - At least if they try do do new things, not just sticking to the same formula all the time.
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Nov 16, 2005 07:20
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So to achieve a deep trance wouldnt it be harder to play assorted artists in a set. This is if u want to create a trance atmosphere.
But lets forget about parties for a minute, and focus on the listener, mainly me whose a home listener. I find it somewhat more 'orderly' in albums to create and experience the trance state. Eg.. the new Antix album was perfect.
As for DJ's, than i guess its got a lot to do with diamonds in the rough. To switch moods etc.. u might need to really understand the floor and crowd if u wanna try somethin new.
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Posted : Nov 16, 2005 07:42
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Navajo's Something That Came Back
has very good flow
and has taken me into a deep space oddessey something that all Star Wars have failed at for me at least..i like the track names too
u can find them on psyshop or saikosounds
i am too lazy to type them
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Posted : Nov 16, 2005 09:55
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thats the problem with trance these days
its taht most artist dont bother to
come up with a concept that they like
and then work on it as an album
its mroe they need to make an album to make
more money or get some gigs
so the last killer track they had
they use that idea to create the rest
of the album!
we need more original thinking and more
ideas thats waht can bring trance back to life
dont you thnk ?
now i dont want to fight so i did not say all
artist.. i said most!!! |
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Dogon
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Posted : Nov 16, 2005 14:23
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On 2005-11-14 01:38, *Karma Cola* wrote:
plus.. if u know of artist albums that you feel are wholesome journeys per se please do recommend.
Here's mine..
Kemic-Al - Twisted Parameters.
Thanks.
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Towards The One - Goa Gil. Though its a compilation but it is so beautifully done by Baba. thats one of my best journey netime..... all in one go.....
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