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DVD quality, a solution against mp3 downloads
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Neville Bone
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 11:44
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On 2005-04-09 21:59, traveller wrote:
imo cd = a thousand times better quality to vinyl..
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I don't agree that cds are better than vinyls.The best record I have is an album on vinyl by James Brown recorded back inth 70s.
It sound far better than today's cds!
However:
Good thought about the dvd thing.Makes sense to me. |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 14:41
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That isn't a valid comparison. You would have to have the master pressed to vinyl and CD to compare.
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 14:54
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Ok my post is not directly connected to the topic but I think there is a point.
A french hip-hop artist, former member of NTM, released his last album on a double-sided compact disc.
One side, CD-format, where you have the album in itself.
The other side, DVD-format, with some goodies to be watched/heared/read about the artist and his crew..
This idea here, in my opinion, is interesting, because (also thanks to a cool artwork) it makes the object interesting again. And therefore getting an original copy something exciting.
 (PS - I don't really like this album, btw.. lol)
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 15:41
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Dear all of you,
regarding the CD-DVD-MP3 topic, well, I have the feeling that what does not work in this sceene is not the quality of the available music but the way this music is been distributed nowdays!
Most of the people today listen to the music at home (PC/AppleMac based most of the times), on the iPOD(portable MP3 players in general), in the car and sometimes in the Festivals/Parties/night clubs! Monitoring the way people listen to the music can help "Label Managers" to find out a new way to distribute their music!
Personally, I don't believe that a better quality format will resolve the "download" problem in the music industry!
Why do I have to buy a CD/DVD/VINYL and then to rip it off with my "iTunes" so i can listen to the music in my iPod if i can download it directly from the "iTunes" itself? (I have used "iTunes" and "iPod" as an example).
So, dear "label owners" and artists, please stop to complain that nobody buys CD/DVD/VINYL anymore !!! What does not work here is the simple fact that your business model is very very OLD FASHIONED!
Try to approach the consumers in a different way, to provide them what they really want/need NOW !
INNOVATE or DIE....
Let's all of us, take our own responsibilities and work for a better "trance" scene!
That's all....
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traveller
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 15:55
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I wouldn't pay for mp3 or wav. I want to own my music physically. Why? Well first of I don't like the idea that some freeloading bastard could copy my collection with in hours (depending on his internet connection of course) or that someone for example transfered all my music files to external harddrive. Also there's a minor risk that some virus might really wipe out your harddisk, or atleast make your windows unbootable. Then the only solution would be to format that harddrive yourself. How fun would that be, loosing gigabytes of music you've paid for? I for one am not into backing up my system. Just a few weeks back I fucked up my system so well that the only possible thing to do was to format the whole freaking harddrive (sob partition magic sob).. "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 16:07
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Dear Traveller,
I get your point perfectly, and I can't do anything but agree with you regarding your last point!
But please try to not get stucked in the point that if you will get a virus and you will need to format your system then you also don't want to buy MP3s or WAV via the Web.
There are thousand of solutions for this problem!
Try to think about the benefits of it, not only for the today's society, but the needs of the tommorow's society.
Mooreover, nobody will stop you, and every you, to buy a CD/DVD so you can have the artwork as well and all the other goodies that a physical product can provide you.
Have fun
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traveller
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 16:12
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Yeah of course they can offer it as an alternative. I don't mind that, I'm just going to ignore it, unless of course say Twisted started selling Shpongle - Nothing Lasts within an hour on their site as mp3. I would buy it in a blink of an eye and then rebuy it somewhere in may as an actual album 
Anyways it's not really virus that are the biggest thread to my computer's health, it's me . I like to tweak it and experiment with latest alpha/beta drivers and all that
..but I'm definitely in it for the DVD audio releases.. "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 16:27
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Fair enough dear Traveller....
enjoy as much you can the last "days" of physical products such as CDs/DVDs...etc 
Kind regards
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zatitude
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 20:13
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I go with traveller, there is something very satisfying to have a tangible physical representation of an artists Album with artwork info stickers etc if you are a collector.
I always buy albums and make my own mp3's but some DJ's I know are buying single tracks from legit places and burning them to CD to play out, and most of them are quite responsible about this.
CD's are not going to go away very fast, although market might/has shrunk due to copying CD's more than d/l imho.
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VertigOA
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 20:43
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On 2005-04-09 21:13, nikur wrote:
Back in the old days Vinyl had a pretty good sound quality then CDs came and took over. But CD's had a lower quality then vinyl.
Then mp3 became an option since the quality difference wasn't that huge.
All kind of protections failed.
So why not raising the quality of official releases by switching to DVD?
The quality difference between mp3 and DVD would be huge, then people might not want to play around with bad mp3 quality anymore.
CD - 44.1khz ... DVD- 192khz
CD - 16bit ... DVD- 24bit
Plus DVD could be surround sound.
Just an idea.
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Youre idea is severly flawed. Just think for a sec,,, labels are already offering CD quality, and people are dloading at mp3 quality. People dont CARE about better quality. They care about easy access.
Fighting downloading is the most stupid thing labels can do. Embrace it and start offering it. Look at the succes of iTunes
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karmasy
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 21:05
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I don't know about the success of iTunes? Do you?
There is something about holding the actual product in your hand, looking at the graphic art. Feel it, smell it.
I would rather have a dvd with additional clips etc.. then a mp3. For the same price
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VertigOA
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 21:32
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On 2005-04-12 21:05, karmasy wrote:
I don't know about the success of iTunes? Do you?
There is something about holding the actual product in your hand, looking at the graphic art. Feel it, smell it.
I would rather have a dvd with additional clips etc.. then a mp3. For the same price
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Thanks great but know what,, a LOT of people don't care about that. If you are a label and CHOOSE to ignore that fact, then guess what. ByeBye.
FYI: as of oct 2004 iTunes had 150million paid for dloads.
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Kaz
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Posted : Apr 12, 2005 21:55
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10 years ago, the idea of transfering hundreds of megabytes in less than a day seemed unreal for most people. With no reason to believe that transfer speeds will stop rising, in 10 years, uncompressed DVDs will be transfered very fast.
Using the DVD-Audio format is a temporary solution. Even today, people can download a few DVDs a week, and burn DVDs at home. I'm sure some people out there would be very happy to pirate a DVD of a band they like. And you'd still get an mp3-rip of it everywhere, not in the same quality, true - but that doesn't mean people will stop downloading it instead of buying.
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Dot Kite
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Posted : Apr 13, 2005 11:48
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Dear Dancers, Trancers and Dreamers...
the day that everything will be measured by bits&bytes is not far away!
So be prepared to welcome and embrace the intangible goods without fear...
If you will do a quick research on what the major companies are preparing for our future, you will be able to understand the futute of the CD/DVD and the way we will listen to the music.
Just check out the R&D programms of Microsoft, Phillips, Sony, Samsung...etc..and you will be able to predict the future!
Some of you, are telling that they love to see the artwork or to smell the CD case as well! This is really important, and as a professional designer i confirm this 100% ! But what i want to say here is that the music industry has serious problems on doing business today. No DVD or SUPER CD can be saved from what the major companies want!
Unfortunately or fortunately! This is a fact and everybody can judge it on his/her own way!
Positive or Negative!
Good or Bad!
Best Regards
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 14, 2005 00:27
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On 2005-04-12 15:55, traveller wrote:
I wouldn't pay for mp3 or wav. I want to own my music physically. Why? Well first of I don't like the idea that some freeloading bastard could copy my collection with in hours (depending on his internet connection of course) or that someone for example transfered all my music files to external harddrive. Also there's a minor risk that some virus might really wipe out your harddisk, or atleast make your windows unbootable. Then the only solution would be to format that harddrive yourself. How fun would that be, loosing gigabytes of music you've paid for? I for one am not into backing up my system. Just a few weeks back I fucked up my system so well that the only possible thing to do was to format the whole freaking harddrive (sob partition magic sob)..
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Fair points but the online shop could keep track of your purchases and allow you to donwload them again. For bandwidth reasons they might have to limit it to 3-5 times. But there are workarrounds.
Btw, I think one of the greatest fears of labels is that if they make their music available directly as mp3, they are helping the P2P trend. (Correct me if I am wrong). The thing is, anyone can rip a CD and, apparently, many people do. So not delivering in mp3 format isn't stopping anyone ...
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