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Drugs&Trance -=- The Final Conflict
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lucid_dream
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 18:27
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music IS the drug .
u deffenetly right.
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full_on
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 19:54
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Psychedelic trance isn't that kind of music meant to cause/propitiate the more trips as possible? (even when you are not using any drug at all)
Drug related names aren't just a reflection of the artists own experiments and experiences?
Don't (some) artists get some of their inspiration on drugs experiences?
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Nathan
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 21:45
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On 2003-03-18 18:27, lucid_dream wrote:
music IS the drug .
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Yes!
most of the ppl can not understand Trance.
so the do drugs. for us (Trance Freeks  ) the music is the drug. and i do not really believe that all the Artists use it.
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 19, 2003 00:09
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For me the experience of a good trance party is not a drug related experience, drugs are the means for most party goers (often confused with being the goal), but are unnecessary if you can open your mind and body to the music and the energies of the people around you. Sometimes I even find that a lot of people on drugs cannot reach a state of trance.
If you take drugs because its cool or because everybody does it, or because its "necessary to enjoy the party", you're dumb. Sorry.
If you take it in order to achieve some spiritual experience, I suggest you make sure you really know what you're doing. As it is a pretty heavy matter to consider. The chemichal change is usually irreversible and will forever effect the way your mind works.
Take note of the shamanistic psychedelic experiences that a lot of trancers like to compare trance parties to. Study these a little, and you'll see how complex and careful the process is.
Learn before you decide to do something that is so serious. To learn you need a teacher, and a good one.
That is why I dislike drug samples tracks (different from drug experiences influenced ones). They degrade and make trivial something which is not and should not be. When someone puts in a track called small paper squares a sample going "LSD does not fry your brain it expands your mind" he's doing something very dangerous I think. He's taking on himself the role of the teacher, but he teaches nothing really, as LSD can fry your brain, and it does not necessarily expands your mind.
So besides them being cliche and boring and commercial, drug samples can also be dangerous and disrespectful.
I have the advantage of being able to look backwards on more than a decade of partying with a lot of people around me taking drugs. I can tell you that not all the people that took a lot of drugs took with them something deep into their lives from their party experience. A lot of times they were so concentrated on the drugs that they were unable to see what the parties were giving them and were unable to think about it, reflect on it, and try and bring it into their own everyday lives. And when the drugs were done, and that time always comes (unless the person is done before that). Nothing was left.
Maybe this is the reason why the 60s ppl failed to make a change in the world, and why the trance community also failed mostly.
People just forget what it is all about, the drugs are gone, and nothing is left but obscure memories.
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Zombi
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Posted : Mar 19, 2003 00:24
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On 2003-03-19 00:09, shahar wrote:
LSD does not fry your brain it expands your mind" he's doing something very dangerous I think. He's taking on himself the role of the teacher, but he teaches nothing really, as LSD can fry your brain, and it does not necessarity expands your mind.
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may be i will take here a pose of bad teacher but i want to remind or just tell to ppl that think "well, it will not happen to me, its only weak ppl... blah blha", so my best friend that i started the trance thing with (and along time before also) got into mental clinic, seems 4ever.. and not he wasnt weak mind or crazy whole life, he wasnt stupid or one who do alot of drugs, thats just one party (boom 2000) he never came back from a trip. remember that, its real story, sorry for bad vibes here, but things like that have to be always at your mind, dont forget it.
and thats not that i dont do drugs, i do, and i know it can happen also to me, hope not.
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Hg
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Posted : Mar 19, 2003 00:26
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On 2003-03-19 00:09, shahar wrote:
Maybe this is the reason why the 60s ppl failed to make a change in the world, and why the trance community also failed mostly.
People just forget what it is all about, the drugs are gone, and nothing is left but obscure memories.
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True, true and true. People that agree with these ideas should open other people's mind to it. I think people forget to think and meditate to absorb something good out of their experiences and all the positive things that happened in their "life-changing" experiences vanish... Hence, the movements that houses these people vanish as well.
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mach_16
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Posted : Mar 19, 2003 06:00
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On 2003-03-19 00:24, Zombi Cocktail wrote:
(...) thats just one party (boom 2000) he never came back from a trip. remember that, its real story, sorry for bad vibes here, but things like that have to be always at your mind, dont forget it.
and thats not that i dont do drugs, i do, and i know it can happen also to me, hope not.
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Drugs are like everything in life. You can't take too much. One should know when to say stop or at least slow down...
To be honest, i only started to comprehend the meaning of trance when i first listened to it tripping. Nowadays, it seems my ears have learned the way to listen to trance without drugs...
You realise everything you learn is in fact just learned, not necessarily true... |
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Kaatisu
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Posted : Mar 19, 2003 09:25
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Thanks, Shahar. I appreciate your words of wisdom.
Respect is the one of key words in life, and it's definitely one of the important words when considering drug use. |
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medir
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Posted : Mar 19, 2003 11:57
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...good words shahar, exspecially the 2nd part...
about the infinit trip:
if don t take synthetics (...i ve never done and never will ) u know what is inside/substances which makes u on trip, and then it s a matter of study (shamanic-) culture.
for shure it s a matter of the quantity too, but u can be at least shure what u re taken (...if it isn t gentech, which is on the run to take over...), and if u don t take "all" at the beginning, are surrounded of a good crowd, stay on a place u feel very good and are in a good mential condition, i say the devil must be behind u if u end up on the infinite...
to verify: ...if the door is open, it will be opened for some time...probably the rest of your life...
...take care
experiment !
make it your motto day and night.
experiment,
and it will lead you to the light.
the apple on the top of the tree
is never too high to achieve,
so take an example from eve...
experiment ! |
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lucid_dream
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Posted : Mar 19, 2003 12:37
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to verify: ...if the door is open, it will be opened for some time...probably the rest of your life...
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shahar and medirium u are both right.
i just figure that its not the DRUG u take its the MOOD u are in. u can reach this high level of trance state without lsd.
and it does CHANGE U forever. open the door and live it wide open....
but still i had some unforgetable memories from lsd.
but i've learned that when u are not happy
LSD cant change that.
only YOU can.
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Zombi
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Posted : Mar 19, 2003 13:21
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On 2003-03-19 12:37, lucid_dream wrote:
but i've learned that when u are not happy
LSD cant change that.
only YOU can.
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yep !!!!
Believe your soul ! |
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le doyen
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Posted : Mar 19, 2003 13:55
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I totally agree with Shahar. And I think the drug change people. They become paranoiac or aggressive...
I think that drug is a maid experience to discover things, spirituality but it is necessary to pay very attention and to be reasonable |
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Mighty Fat Records
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Posted : Mar 19, 2003 15:07
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On 2003-03-19 13:55, le doyen wrote:
And I think the drug change people. They become paranoiac or aggressive...
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I disagree with that... I think it did the opposite to me and really opened my mind.
I like the person I am now better than the person I was before.
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On 2003-03-19 00:24, Zombi Cocktail wrote:
and thats not that i dont do drugs, i do, and i know it can happen also to me, hope not.
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Same here... I realise there are dangers in this but I still do it from time to time (not that often though).
The question is: we all know it's dangerous and no one can be sure it won't happen to him/her - but we still do it - why?
I do it coz it really makes me feel good, and the music sounds different and better.. but it doesn't mean that I can't enjoy a party without it - in fact I enjoy most parties without it ( a few  and drinks will usually do it for me)... but once in a while I want to feel that special thing (which I can't really explain).
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lucid_dream
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Posted : Mar 19, 2003 15:57
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to ok: as long as u keep it just smt that u do from time to time its ok
the problem is when u start do that every week and than in the end u feel nothing. thats what happened to me.
about that u change so usually the person himself cant see he is changing its the ppl around that person that see the change.
just keep it smt special that u dont do every week thats my advice.
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