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Drugs&Trance -=- The Final Conflict
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traveller
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 00:41
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if artists would be smart they would name them self something like
<IMG SRC=sh> and the track names in same way or smth like 290481+05729+5253 &4
try to find those from the net =)
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Hg
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 02:38
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The danger is when people start support the drugs with music and not the other way around.
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Wise you! Let me tell you man, it is that old story our parents know about. Generally two kinds of people take drugs, aiming at different things. The first and more common kind looks for trips, escapism, chemical's activities in their bodies... The second type is more restricted. They do it for "spiritual" purposes and seek internal peace, (PLUR), ...,...
The number of people looking for the 1st effects of drug is so high and this fact is HORRIBLE to the scene. On the last festival I went to about 90% of the people were high on drugs (especially on the BEST live acts) and they looked like devil, really! I was sooo afraid that I couldnt even stay on the dance floor. Really! People were dancing insane with ugly faces and "ugly aura". I dont know if you guys know what I mean...
I figured that they definately were not there for the music, not at all... It is sad. A friend of mine told me that much of the "decadent" trance scene in England is "marginalized" because of the drugs, I am not sure of this info! I just dont want these to happen anywhere else.
One more thing, for those that take drugs on the 2nd group. I respect a lot that and think it is even a healthy thing, in most cases. But, the gap between the 1st and the 2nd groups is very small.
I hope I made sense...
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pavi
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 02:46
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You make a lot of sense shrOM.
Within this timeless gathering,
a shining light does dance,
lost from conscious memory,
but visible in trance!
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Jsainsbury
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 09:17
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but it is "psychadelic trance"
like it or not this music is very very drug influenced, i can have a wicked night sober or a wicked night on drugs, let me make the choice my self and let the artists choose their own song names, now personally i dont like plodding progressive trance, but i went out on saturday and took some lsd, it mad the progresssive sound AMAZING, it made my night better, my theory= "trance = amazing"
trance + drugs = amazing" both will do to me, and a song written about LSD that makes me FEEL like i am tripping without the drugs is nothing but a good thing |
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medir
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 09:55
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imo, the change from lsd to coca has changed the style too...or is it otherwise around...?
p.s: since yesterday, in the netherlands u can get ganja in the drugstore ( legal ). i think whith such a convention young ppl will realise too that even the "lightest" drug is a drug...
...music is the drug
bom
experiment !
make it your motto day and night.
experiment,
and it will lead you to the light.
the apple on the top of the tree
is never too high to achieve,
so take an example from eve...
experiment ! |
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Candy
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 10:07
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Medirium is that true?
WOW, I wish more country would follow your country.
Anyway, as somebody mentionned before, drug names given to tracks are here to drag attention, to sound "more cool", "more in".
Majority is never right!
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sage2012
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 11:53
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i don't know if i agree entirely with the statement that drug references in song titles are intended to make music easier to sell... there may be some truth in this, but i sincerely doubt that it is because of this and this alone. that is a bit like saying that hendrix wrote 'purple haze', new order wrote 'ecstasy', the velvet underground wrote 'heroin', and shpongle wrote 'divine moments of truth' to sell more records...
granted, within the realm of psychedelic trance there are a lot of titles that do make reference to various intoxicants, but i don't think that is the sole reason for using such names. it seems to me that many artists have done some experimentation on their own, and have found something illuminating from their experiences, particularly of the tryptamine and indole varieties. could it be that some of those songs & titles are trying to capture the essence of a particular moment in the artist's life, paying tribute to the muse that inspired the artist to create his or her music? art and music is a reflection of it's creator, and if the artist has taken in the psychedelic experience during their lifetime, then why should they not create music or art that expresses this to a degree?
i'm not trying to say that it is particularly cool or innovative to use drug-references in your music per se, but i do think that an artist has the right to call their work whatever they wish.. that is their perogative.
i am really happy for and and have tons of respect for all of the people in here that have never used any substances to alter their perception and have no desire to do so... and i am not suggesting that any of these people start using them either. at the same time though, it is really hard to discuss the validity of the psychedelic experience unless someone has had one firsthand, because for many people it is a very personal and life-changing experience, and quite unique to the individual.
-just my 2 cents..
michael
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Dovla
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 12:41
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Here In Croatia we have a saying:
I don't curse, I don't smoke and I don't drink....aaa fuck it, my cigarette fell in my whiskey 
seriously, I never took any kind of drug, I never even lit a cigarette. I don't support taking drugs and I never will..but I have friends who take them and we are still friends. I let them do what they like and I'm not some kind of a preacher. But I believe that I'm feeling just as good as they are on the dance floor. I never felt a need to help myself with a drug to get to a "higher level".
To me there is nothing better then that feeling when you hear a good track and you shiver all the way over. Music is my only drug 
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|RoYeC|
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 14:34
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On 2003-03-17 19:49, traveller wrote:
COMMERCIAL TRANCE (infected, astrix, alien project, gms, 1200 mics)-------> drugs
drug names sell..
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All the way most of the groups that put drugs names in there traxx COMMERCIAL TRANCE
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 14:56
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Actually, Shpongle - Divine Moments of Truth (as well as most of Shpongle's tracks for that matter) are a musical description of totally unreal landscapes and realities. "A New Way to Say Hooray" is a track that's obviously DMT inspired, Around the World in a Tea Daze... The list goes on.
A few tracks named after drugs are done so because those were sources of inspiration or were described by the music itself (a good example would be Death in Vegas - Opium Shuffle). "Psychedelic" means drug influenced, or a form of a drug - read the definition in a dictionary.
There are a few tracks which are obviously such descriptions of a psychedelic experience (Koxbox - Colordrops, for instance), but there are a lot of ones which are just made to pick up on the fact that the "ideal trancer" stereotype is with an open mind, and therefor, just really "cool" to have those references.
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lucid_dream
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 16:35
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medirium‮ ‬....israel is still far away from selling janga in the drugstore....it sound like smt the stupid israeli goverment will never approved...i just tought about it before few days when i sat in some lounge bar and had to go to the toilet to smoke joint !
it seem so unrealistic to do that ....
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BrainStorm
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 16:37
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i think the whole deal with drugs-related names of songs is kind of response from an artists to the crowd.. to their fans...
we all know pretty good - there's NO decent party with trancey music, where people doesnt do drugs
so like.. if i name my track "LSD" - it doesnt make the track better, it just causes kind of interest from the crowd.......
i do not agree on this one:
"to make good trance music one must like drugs by himself" - its a complete bullshit, many of us can produce very nice psychedelic trance tunes without using any drugs.. but some people does make it better on drugs
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lucid_dream
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 16:48
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and some ppl are so tired of psychedelic music as well...
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 17:58
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This is probably caused by the stupendous amounts of drugs used in parties, and I've heard people here say "I don't like my music psychedelic, I take drugs for the psychedelia" or "just do some MDMA at a party and you'll get why people like this track". I don't hear a house fan calling a track "too groovy" or a hardcore techno fan saying that a track is "too strong". Only in the psytrance scene people bitch about music being "too psy". If you think that, you're listening to the wrong kind of music, sorry.
This is the negative side of the drug issue, but because of the HUGE amount of these people, we get albums with every track named after a drug, so they can feel cool when they buy it. Excuse me if that makes me feel sick. If people are so tired of psychedelic music, what the hell are they listening to PSYCHEDELIC trance for. If people listen to trance and go to parties in order to enjoy their drugs, they shouldn't be allowed in parties. People like that are causing trance music to be inspired by drugs only in a clear cut sales perspective. A track named LSD today (... by lets say, Alien Project), and a track named that a few years ago - which one gave that name a meaning, and which one did it for sales?
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medir
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 18:05
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...i m not from the netherlands/ holland...
i m from switzerland, and here is ganja illegal too, but the police is very irregular: sometimes they make problems, sometimes they don t care...
but if all gona be "ok", in 5 years it s 100% legal, not only in drugstores (...like netherland ).
...MUSIC IS THE DRUG
bom shankar
experiment !
make it your motto day and night.
experiment,
and it will lead you to the light.
the apple on the top of the tree
is never too high to achieve,
so take an example from eve...
experiment ! |
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